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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 1:20:43 GMT -5
If you have not read the outstanding work done by Cliff Mickelson regarding his personal observations of the morgellons infection then do so now, it can be found at this site, if you have then re-read it. Pay close attention to his observations of the callus and the object he refers to as having "horns". Then read Chesters observations, also outstanding work, of the same thing which you can find here: www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/index.php?topic=1576.msg7695#msg7695and here: www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/index.php?board=3.0Now compare their observations with the description of a typical Bryozoan that you can find here: earthlife.net/inverts/bryozoa.htmlYou will find that if you pay close attention to detail, both Chester and Cliff are describing some of the exact characteristics of a Bryozoan. Specifically decribed by one or both are the zooids, the zooecium, the mat-like colony, the calcified colonial wall, the lophophore, the orifice, the operculum, and the tentacles. Many of the characteristics of these objects have been accurately described. These references provide only a small amount of the factual evidence that is available to conclude with reasonable accuracy that the presense of Bryozoan colonies within the human body is responsible for the symptoms of morgellons. If after studying these references you are still not willing to consider this as being the posible origin of morgellons than I have no reason to continue. If this has gotten your attention then let me say that in addition to what you've already seen I can accuratly account for many more symptoms and characteristics of morgellons by referencing facts associated with the Bryozoans, specifically a small group of them known as burrowing bryozoans. This Hypothesis can explain the fibers, the callus, the biting sensations, the reported numerous forms of life including the undulating fiber, the orange glow under ultraviolet, the association to certain bacterias and fungus or yeast such as candida and possibly Lyme, the joint pain, the blue fuzz balls, the dermatitis, the growth pattern of infection, the crystal formation seen at silentsuperbug.com, the "brown bodies" (recorded by Chester), and more. I am convinced beyon a shadow of a doubt that what I am claiming is true. There has been no report of Bryozoans parasitizing humans past or present to back-up this claim but consider this, the little studied burrowing species of bryozoan burrows into the shells of crustaceans, feeds, multiplies, builds a colony, and reproduces both by budding and by eggs, all within the confines of a shell. If it can do this would it be a stretch of the imagination to conjecture that it could do the same inside the human body where the salt content and Ph is virtually the same as their natural environment? If I have struck your interest and you would like to hear more then reply here and let me know, it is an overwhelming task for me to put all this together by myself and I wish to waste no more time in doing so if it is falling onto deaf ears. Steve Frey safrey@earthlink.net 530-886-0626
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2007 1:45:33 GMT -5
LOOK AT THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST - PHOTOS NO. 5 - WHERE YOU WILL SEE WHAT IS BEHIND THE CALLUS HOOKS - METHINKS WE HAVE SOMETHING MORE GOING ON HERE THAN BRYOZOAN. The first links are to the Radio show talking about the images represented on the photos below. Some of the fibers do not burn at 300, 600, 800 and/or 1400 degrees F. When you have satisfied yourself with these pages, please go listen to Morgellons Special #7(next post) where Dr. Staninger analyses the lab reports from MIT, LAMBDA, etc., about the fibers. Morgellons Special #6 MORGELLONS SPECIAL No. 6 Hildegarde Staninger, PhD, RIET-1 Rahim Karjoo, M.D., F.A.S.C.P./F.C.A.P. Jan Smith, Morgellons Victim Shocking Breakthroughs! November 9, 2006 (MP3 Audio File) rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rensemorgellons6.mp3Morgellons Specimen Photos in Sequence - Special No. 6 www.rense.com/general74/morg6-1.htmMorgellon's Photos 1 www.rense.com/general74/morg6-1.htmMorgellon's Photos 2 www.rense.com/general74/morg6-2.htmMorgellon's Photos 3 www.rense.com/general74/morg6-3.htmMorgellon's Photos 4 www.rense.com/general74/morg6-4.htm
Morgellon's Photos 5
www.rense.com/general74/morg6-5.htm
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2007 1:51:51 GMT -5
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 3:09:20 GMT -5
I can explain the fibers in detail, including their composition of silica and what appears to be man made material used in the fibertech industry by examining the documented facts of a certain species of Sponge. This Hypothesis is dependent on the chemical analysis performed on the fibers by Dr Hildegarde Staninger in order to validate my claim. Here is one link which will help explain. www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00076E71-DE8E-1F43-B0B980A841890000There is much more evidence to explain the fibers in detail. To make a long story short the bryozoan has the ability to produce silica spicules or basal rhizoids. There are sponges that are documented to produce silica spicules(fibers) that are not only similar to man made fiber optics but perform better as well. This would account for their fluorescence, flexibility, strength, as well as resistance to heat. I reference the sponge because I have hypothesized that since the sponge and bryozoan share many unique characteristics between only the two of them, and they are in general very similar to each other, that the bryozoan most likely posses traits which are consistant with the sponge and that are currently undocumented. There is a wide array of supporting documentation to reasonably conclude this, or maybe more accuratly put, a wide array of the what is still unknown and likely to occur. www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tnah/1991/00000025/00000005/art00016?crawler=trueThis article provides reference to bryozoan spicules and will also give you an idea as to the diversity and adaptability of the bryozoan. There are other artiles involving the composition of both sponge and bryozoan spicules which provide further support of this claim. There is an immense amount of material on this subject and an equal amount of unknown factors when it comes to the bryozoan, they are over 300 million years old. Regarding the photo 5, I will look at it and give you my thoughts on it
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Post by skytroll on May 27, 2007 3:44:18 GMT -5
safrey,
Would this not take us into the world of the tribolites? A form of bryozoan?
Has there been a reconstruction of the the Tribolite?
I have found where they have tried.
Also, what do you know about Steno? Some hidden history on "The seashell on the Mountaintop? Also, Archaea fits in here too, doesn't it?
The use of silica in the new Nano Bricks? and as optic fibers?
There seems to me to be a big picture here, and the small one in our lesions!
Incidently, those bryozoans do resemble Collembola don't they?
There has been an increase in Zebra mussels, have mentioned this to TT also.
Am trying the St. Johns' Wort. When I first applied it, I did feel movement. What soda is meant? Baking soda or soft drink?
If you are talking Baking soda, ah yes. I see what you mean. Have aloe plant on hand too.
Ah......the lovelies of Nature, at it's best and realest!
am on onto what is being said here, both sides, think it is both. Just steps in Evolution, Right?
skytroll
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Post by skytroll on May 27, 2007 3:50:29 GMT -5
Do not both sides of this issue revolve into the same?
One is natural, the other is constucted to make it appear natural, but, it is synthetic.
Mountains do not burn. But, the things on it do? The tribolite fossil imprints do not burn!
and where are they found, on the mountain!
You cannot prove evolution, only by reconstructing the fossils, only by developing evolution, only by developing novel constructions, that is my opinion, and that is what is happening, all in the dash to prove "The Origins of Life" .
And now to make man part of the earth, part of the future, the next evolution in Nano.
So both fits here.
Nano is the exploitation of life in it's basic forms.
Skytroll
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 4:11:06 GMT -5
Eventhough I have reserved a small window in my studies for the possibility of nano-tech I truely do not believe it is the origin simply because each and every detail and characteristic of the morgellons infection can be reasonably explained by the natural occurance of a very unique organism, the Bryozoan. I appologize to everyone of you who think or want so much for this to be a conspiracy theory or a scientific experiment gone bad or chem trails but the facts tell the story and the truth is its a Bryozoan.
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 4:30:45 GMT -5
I have looked at the photo 5 at rense and thank you for providing me with just one more solid piece of evidence to support my claim. These objects are documented as being one or more forms of life associated with the Bryozoan. The Avicularia Generally described as but through additional research one will find that the birds beak shape is not consistant and in some cases it is shaped like a mandible. Here is a link to an abstract that gives another description of the avicularia: The species of Cellaria (Bryozoa: Cheilostomatida) with large avicularia from West Africa www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a771040397~db=allThe images may also depict another form of life called The Vibracula Thsi is what I believe becomes the undulating fiber commonly reported Some of these objects may be in a state of metamorphasis which is how they form naturally, the bryozoan is known to be polymorphic with up to five documented forms, not to say that thats all they can have either. With having studied the images so little I am not prepared to provide further detail in my explanation but I'm certain that they are what I am claiming them to be. The occurances of these unusual or "different" type organisms seems to correlate well with the occurances of the avicularia in a bryozoan colony.
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 4:54:11 GMT -5
I took a brief look at trilobites and could see nothing to relate them to morgellons, are there any correlating features?
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Post by whiterose on May 27, 2007 8:00:09 GMT -5
The tests have been done by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger to prove it was nano technology. This thing, called Morgellons has the ability to mimic anything. Have you read all the documentation posted on this board that is from our own government?
What of the chemtrails that also exhibit Morgellons substances, how does this play into what you have to say? Have you used a Ramon microscope in your studies? Were you aware during the last testing procedure that MIT called and asked for more samples of the "little machines"?
Why would the government deny if it was like you said Bryozoan, what money is there to be made in that? Can Bryozoan mimic hair, can Bryozoan mimic skin? And as you referenced Cliff Mickelson's work are you aware that he also agrees that it is nano? How much money is there to be made with Bryozoan? Are they using it for something we don't know about, do tell?
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 12:06:14 GMT -5
As far as Cliff's belief, the last correspondence I had with him he stated that he did not believe it was nano, if he has sinced changed his mind then I hope to get the opportunity to discuss it with him. Why the doctor had the tests performed means nothing to me, the tests results indicate the silica composition am I correct? The tests results also indicate composition being that of a compound used in fiber optics correct? The article I linked to regarding the sponge states that sponge spicules are formed out of compound know to be used in fiber optics correct? Where's the problem? I'll tell you where it is, it's you people that refuse to accept the facts even when there are staring you in the face. I can and will explain each and every symptom and characteristic of morgellons by referencing facts of the bryozoan.
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Post by whiterose on May 27, 2007 12:19:23 GMT -5
Do Tell! The comment "you people" says quite a bit doesn't it.
Forgot one thing, the test results also indicated nanotechnology.
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 13:37:32 GMT -5
;D I'm sorry if that was rude ;D I have one agenda here, to bring to light the facts and studies regarding a specific organism, that when compiled and compared to the symptoms and characteristics of morgellons, specific correlations can be made. The number of specific correlations in this case is far more than what coincidence can account for. I have as much riding on the investigation of this disease as anyone and feel that sufficient factual evidence exits to suggest that what I am claiming is not only plausible but highly probable. I have yet to see such a volumn of facts presented in support of any other theory, only bits and pieces of speculation and ideas.
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Post by whiterose on May 27, 2007 13:50:54 GMT -5
Then you haven't listened to the rense shows that sho pointed out to you. If you would like to give information, that is always welcome.
I do not have the time to do more than point you to where the information is and we have done such.
If you have read all the docs on nanotechnolgy, than you realize it can mimic just about anything you can think of. Problem is, I wish you were right, but to many years of attack of others and myself with this affliction says different.
Feel free to impart information, and feel free to read and research all that we have spent years over, if you haven't the time to invest in comparing what we have discovered, than how can you ask us?
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 17:03:12 GMT -5
You guys are pretty hostile over here you know that.
Okay I'll be honest with you, because of what I personally witnessed in a culture I grew I have not excluded the nano idea from my list of possibilities. I have performed a fair amount of research in the area and did find some very interesting correlations but was unable to fill in the gaps. Does your thinking involve crystal tectonics? Anything to do with the nano-fibers and the sponge?
Or am I without a clue
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Post by skytroll on May 27, 2007 19:57:16 GMT -5
Yes, SILICA!
Fiber optics and silica, by the way we get electrical charges, and clicking and snapping in our heads, so there is an electrical component to this. And we are zapped often.
Where is the electrical component in the Bryozoan?
They are def in the chemtrails. Ever hear of the ole Woodpecker grid?
Skytroll
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Post by safrey on May 27, 2007 20:43:22 GMT -5
I can explain the electrical component rather substantially in respect to the bryozoan. With in the article I am posting here is some of the information to help explain it, what I am referring to is the communication ability of the colony, it is done thru a "network". I found other data, which I will give you reference to a little later, that documents actual studies performed in respect to the ability of this bryozoan network to conduct electricity very well at very high speeds. These factors are very relative to the morgellons issue.
I have looked at this possibility from a very wide angle, there are not many aspects that I have not studied at least a little.
Other key factors that I can explain are the orange glow under ultra violet, this is because the bryozoan excretes "calcite", also know as calcium carbonate and I believe the presense of this within the human body might be responsible for a wide array of symptoms, including the joint pain.
Also another key element is the relationship between bryozoan and the family of bacteria which candida belongs to, also the bryozoan synthesises bacteria
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2007 22:11:21 GMT -5
Pinktoe Tarantula Avicularia avicularia Avicularia means "small bird" in Latin. When Karl Von Linne (also known as Linnaeus) attempted to catalog virtually every animal on the face of the Earth, this was the first tarantula to make his list. In 1758 (the time of Linne's publication), they were generally all called "bird spiders" or "bird eaters," though birds certainly do not make up a significant part of a tarantula's diet. Avicularia species descriptions www.petbugs.com/caresheets/A-avicularia.htmlAvicularia, Lamarck, 1818, spp. are an ideal 'first arboreal' species. They are not overly aggressive, but are quite nervous. There are several species ... giantspiders.com/Avicularia_species.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages Pinktoe Tarantula Care Sheet This Avicularia species can be kept communally in a large, well-planted terrarium with many hiding spots and broad-leaved plants. There should be little or ... www.petbugs.com/caresheets/A-avicularia.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages Avicularia - definition of Avicularia by the Free Online ... Definition of Avicularia in the Online Dictionary. Meaning of Avicularia. What does Avicularia mean? Avicularia synonyms, Avicularia antonyms. www.thefreedictionary.com/Avicularia - 26k - Cached - Similar pages Avicularia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Avicularia is a genus of the family Theraphosidae containing various species of tarantulas. The genus is native to tropical South America. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicularia - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Pinktoe tarantula (Avicularia avicularia) Avicularia means "small bird" in Latin. When Karl Von Linne (also known as Linnaeus) attempted to catalog virtually every animal on the face of the Earth, ... www.eightlegs.org/avic/aavic.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2007 22:25:28 GMT -5
Carbon nano tube technology in liquid crystal on silicon micro-display ... A nano-liquid crystal on silicon (nano-LCoS) chip having carbon nanotube (CNT) ... v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US2006072063
It is my recollection Dr. Hildy's studies indicated SILICONE (SILICON) not SILICA.
AND, further, there were co-polymers on one of the fibers - straw-like coated with plastic!
Another victim's fiber was a PERFECT MATCH for High Density Polyethlyene...... Do your sponges produce this?
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2007 22:55:08 GMT -5
www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00076E71-DE8E-1F43-B0B980A841890000This article on the sea sponge has an image of the sponge repleat with fibers - However, having looked at over 5,000 images of specimens from the bodies of Morgellons victims there has NEVER shown up anything looking anywhere near the image here - and I am presuming the image is showing how the 'sponge' grows the fibers........ Not all fibers in M's victims bodies have burn points of 1400 degrees F.........Some just burn up - some have been tested to have a melting point of 200, some 300, some 600, some 800 degrees F. Are there various configurations of fibers in your "B" model?
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Post by safrey on May 28, 2007 6:46:27 GMT -5
This will give you an idea of just how diversified the Bryozoans are, this is one of the more complex ones like the one causing morgellons.
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Post by safrey on May 28, 2007 7:10:02 GMT -5
Possible fibers?
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Post by safrey on May 28, 2007 7:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on May 28, 2007 23:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on May 29, 2007 0:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by skytroll on May 29, 2007 0:53:08 GMT -5
Here is something that might indicate why bryozoans might be thought to be included in what Morgellons is: A new ‘New Synthesis’ In all the scenarios outlined above, the creation of genetic variation is seen as fundamentally important to the rate, timing or pattern of evolution. At first sight, this viewpoint does not sit comfortably with the neodarwinian ‘New Synthesis’, which places more emphasis on the reduction of genetic variation during evolution as a population becomes increasingly adapted to its environment and the desirable genes that bring this about spread throughout the population. If developmental biology is to be fully integrated with evolutionary biology this conceptual gap needs to be bridged. Some steps have already been taken. First, it is now clear that we need not think of mutations in developmental control genes (such as Hox genes) as always causing large phenotypic changes. For example, small differences in trichome patterns on the second leg of different Drosophila species seem to be the result of subtle differences in the regulation of the Hox gene Ubx17. We need to determine whether numerous mutations of very small phenotypic effect or fewer mutations of larger effect generally contribute to morphological differences between species18. Second, it is now clear that populations can harbour extensive genetic variation with the potential to cause morphological change but which is only revealed under particular conditions. For example, perturbation of the Drosophila heat-shock protein Hsp90 by mutation or changes in environmental conditions uncovers phenotypic variation generated by otherwise hidden genetic variation19. These findings may point the way towards a logical framework for the ‘microevolution’ of development — the generation of small genetically determined differences in development that lead to the relatively minor variations in morphology. We can assume that mutations of small phenotypic consequence impacts NATURE|VOL 402 |SUPP| 2 DECEMBER 1999 |www.nature.com C43 .......arise frequently, and are either exposed immediately to selection pressures or sheltered temporarily in cryptic form by interactions with other genes. Mutations with larger phenotypic effects can also arise, but it is unclear how frequently they contribute to morphological evolution. An extreme view is that the largest-effect mutations serve only to stabilize morphological change already produced by the gradual accumulation of small changes20. The huge challenge for the future is to convert this conceptual framework into a quantitative model, with parameters such as magnitude of phenotypic effect (and its heterogeneity), number of genes involved, mutation rates, effects of genetic recombination, gene additivity and effects of the environment. It will then be important to examine the model’s behaviour in relation to variables such as population size or degree of fragmentation, selection pressure and genetic drift. It remains to be seen whether the lessons learnt from the study of microevolution will be sufficient to explain the much greater morphological and physiological differences between higher taxa such as phyla. I suspect that radical alterations to genetic systems (for example, duplication of the whole genome or major alterations in the mechanism of gene regulation) will need to be included if we are to explain some truly major transitions, such as the origin of multiple germ layers in the ancestor of the bilaterians (B in Fig. 2) or the emergence of the vertebrates...... .....From the perspective of understanding how animal body plans evolve, it is unfortunate that the genome sequences most likely to be completed first do not encompass a particularly wide range of the body plans present within the animal kingdom. Obvious examples to add include a cnidarian, a lophotrochozoan (for example a mollusc or annelid worm), an echinoderm, and a urochordate (a tunicate) or cephalochordate (amphioxus). Complete genomes provide more than simply a catalogue of genes. For example, because of the roles of chromatin structure and nuclear architecture in gene regulation27, neighbouring genes could be subject to coordinated regulation. We might then expect the position of a gene on a chromosome to be functionally relevant and conserved in some cases. Once several complete genomes are available the hypothesis of conserved gene position can be tested. It seems quite possible that the correspondence between a Hox gene’s position in a gene cluster and its expression along the anteroposterior axis, so fundamental to patterning the bilaterian body plan, may be just the tip of an iceberg." www.usp.br/mz/forum/pdf/Holland_1999_Evo_devo_future.pdfEVO DEVO at its best! SKytroll
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Post by sarahconnor on May 29, 2007 1:42:29 GMT -5
Skytroll - you research is sensational (as always), clear as mud for me!!!
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Post by safrey on May 29, 2007 16:57:05 GMT -5
why do you feel that it is unlikely that the natural occurance of the bryozoan could be responsible for the morgellons symptoms?
I am not looking for an arguement just some more insight, I'm willing to lean in what ever direction necessary. Through my research I been able to account for virtually all of the unusual characteristics exhibited by morgellons sufferers by applying the known facts and some logical conjecture regarding the bryozoan.
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Post by whiterose on May 29, 2007 18:32:31 GMT -5
If you are looking for insight perhaps purchase a ramon scope, look for yourself at true samples from those of us afflicted, and than proceed to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to send the samples off to major institutions and see what you come up with.
I've been on this board almost since its inception, and I find those unwilling to look at the evidence from the studies done and those that come here just to attack and undermine to be nothing more than shills.
If we are going on just what you have discovered, sorry it doesn't fly.
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Post by safrey on May 29, 2007 19:17:44 GMT -5
I'm not trying to attack anybody, and being a sufferer of this disease for over thirteen years, and spending countless hours researching it gives me some credibility. I'm only asking for specifics regarding what pieces of this puzzle cannot be accounted for by facts surrounding the bryozoan and all I get in response are defensive remarks which lead me nowhere. You act as though I am the enemy, I think we share the same goal do we not? Myself, My 12 year old daughter, and my ex-wife all have this disease, it affects our health, happiness, and future, I have but one goal and that is to determine the cause, not to compete with others in doing so. I do not know anything about a ramon scope nor do I know what it will show, is there something specific that can be observed with this scope that cannot be accounted for by nature? If so will you please point me in the direction so that I may study this material for myself. I believe that sufficient evidence exists, which I provided only a portion of, to credit the results of the fiber's chemical analysis to an act of nature instead of an act of man even though highly educated professionals had declared otherwise. I would like to be given the opportunity to evaluate what other findings regarding morgellons are deemed an act of man but first I must know what they are. If I am asked to provide more detail in regards to my hypothoses then I do so, rather than come back with defensive derrogatory remarks, these contribute nothing towards solving the problem.
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