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Post by jesusheals on Aug 11, 2008 23:56:33 GMT -5
There was a movie (comedy) that came out in the late 70's starring Steve Martin called "The Jerk." I really liked this movie!
In one scene, Steve Martin was very excited because his name appeared in the phone book. He thought that meant that he had become somebody! However, in the following scene, a madman opened his brand new phone book and arbitrarily picked out a name of someone to assassinate. That name just happened to be Steve Martin (his character)!
In the subsequent scene, Steve Martin is working at his gas station job when oil cans begin exploding nearby. Steve's manager tells Steve that someone is firing a rifle. Steve believes that the killer hates the "oil cans." Everywhere Steve turns a different stack of oil cans starts exploding. He is certain that the madman "hates these cans!" However, Steve's boss tells him, "It's not the cans he's after. It's YOU!"
Listen folks - It's not the cans! Much like the gas station manager, you guys need to view this from a new perspective. I have been patiently trying to alter your way of thinking with regard to this affliction. I understand that the concept I propose is far-fetched for many of you - even Christians. However, I must ask you, why are there numerous, competent ministries all over the world that practice the ministry of deliverance? How are these ministries able to remain in business without customers or supporters? Why are there people all over the world that testify to the freedom and healing that is experienced by way of being delivered from spiritual darkness if this type of ministry is entirely fraudulent? Is it really completely illogical to assume that Morgellons could be caused by spiritual affliction and yet nano-bots and every other theory is perfectly acceptable?
Finally, my own personal testimony of deliverance is listed several times on this forum. Am I merely trying to pull a cruel joke on you guys? Do I have some spurious or nefarious purpose by posting these things? Or am I just some crack pot with a vivid imagination and a whole lot of time on his hands? Please allow me to answer my own rhetorical question -> NO, no, and (75%) no.
Please don't say that there is no way that deliverance ministry is a solution if you're entirely unwilling to give it a chance. And if you're a Christian and you believe that you are exempt from this problem you need to think again. The "New Testament" is clear on this issue - we do not wrestle with flesh & blood...
Understand that when I refer to deliverance ministry that I am not simply talking about someone laying hands on you and praying for you. I am talking about a ministry that focuses on closing doors that have been opened to the spiritual realm and evicting any oppressing spirits that have entered.
Please feel free to contact me if this method of healing interests you.
God Bless, Greg
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Post by buggedout62 on Aug 12, 2008 18:32:43 GMT -5
Greg, Thank you so much for your spiritual guidance on this forum. For some of us, learning how to develop a closer relationship with God is just as important as the treatment steps developed to help in ridding us of this awful disease. Your efforts are sincerely appreciated. In Jesus Name Jo
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Post by morph on Aug 12, 2008 19:03:26 GMT -5
You can lead a horse to water, but you can not MAKE him drink
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Post by buggedout62 on Aug 12, 2008 20:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by morph on Aug 12, 2008 20:56:11 GMT -5
Lets just say I am an animal lover, and would not like anyone to beat a dead horse or a live human, LOL. What draws us together and makes us stronger, may nothing divide. May the Almighty bless you also.
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Post by shubot on Aug 13, 2008 0:28:09 GMT -5
Thanks Greg!
BTW...I like the opening, I saw that movie too. It was so funny my tummy hurt!
ALL things are possible with God. He can do anything ,,, "ask and you shall receive" We need to strengthen our faith and trust in Him.
shu
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Post by jesusheals on Aug 13, 2008 0:36:10 GMT -5
You can lead a horse to water, but you can not MAKE him drink LOL Very good point.
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Post by downunder on Aug 13, 2008 0:53:44 GMT -5
Yes, shame about that dead horse - had so much to offer the world, might have even unravelled morgellons. Oh well, se la ve Love you too Morph - boy that wooden spoon of yours grows like Pinnochio's nose May the doors and windows of Heaven open and pour wonderful blessings into your life. Downunder
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Post by downunder on Aug 13, 2008 0:56:55 GMT -5
;D Hey look Morph my posts have the stingy prob now too. It was "sthingy" by the way and if the stingy is still there - that's a long wooden thing with a scoop on the end used to "stir" large pots
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Post by shubot on Aug 13, 2008 1:00:44 GMT -5
Re spoon... sthingy
The forum gods do not allow us to use the word :
""S...P...O...O...N""
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Post by shubot on Aug 13, 2008 1:02:13 GMT -5
BTW...The horse is alive and well He lives!
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Post by downunder on Aug 13, 2008 1:09:56 GMT -5
I know Christ lives - my take on it was Morph seeing himself as being beaten to death. Cheers
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Post by morph on Aug 13, 2008 1:51:32 GMT -5
the beating of Morph has been tried by over 50 more like 100 but I never saw one of them smile about the results, must be I was in good grace, woopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I love you downunder, does cheers mean your hitting the bottle AGAIN, you need a good rooting that will calm you down some. kisses Darling
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Post by downunder on Aug 13, 2008 2:12:13 GMT -5
Let me correct that - not Morph seeing himself beaten to death - Morph not wishing to partake in the drinking of water. If you don't drink water - you die.
Cheers - is just an Aussie "happy goodbye".
Aussie humour is not really understood outside Australia unless you are around a few Aussies for a time.
Was talking to a guy on the bus the other day - interesting people take buses you know, anyway he was a retired television producer and had worked in the U.S. for a number of years in that role and he was saying just the above - Aussie humour isn't understood at all in the U.S. - goes down like a lead balloon. He was asked by someone on the set he was working on: "How many people do you have working in your company?" He replied: "About half" ;D- said they looked at him as if he was a nutter.
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Post by downunder on Aug 13, 2008 2:42:04 GMT -5
"Bless the Lord, O my soul; and all that is within me, bless His holy name! Bless the Lord, O my soul and forget not all His benefits; Who forgives all your iniquities, who heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from destruction, who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies, who satisfies your mouth with good things, so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's."
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You will appreciate GRACE when you come to the end of your own efforts to save yourself (Joseph Prince)
God bless Downunder
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Post by morph on Aug 13, 2008 3:28:54 GMT -5
I know what cheers means, I was selling internationally for years had a few costomers from Australia, The Austrailians can joke but the English could not, and a step below their humor was that of the Germans, I used to say to them, tell me a joke, Wolfgang. I am healing up slowly but surly, soon I will be ready to conquer the world again, my best idea is to make just one thing every Chinese can not live without. If I sell just one to each and make just a dollar I will have $1.3 billion Here is the cheapest price on GSE I have found $60 for the big bottle will last you forever!!!! www.nutriteam.com:80/servlet/the-Nutribiotic-Personal-Care-&Grapefruit-Seed-Extract/Categories
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Post by meredith on Aug 14, 2008 2:16:47 GMT -5
Maybe it isn't exactly a "horse" that will not be led to water. ha ha just teasing morph Meredith
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Post by Awake on Aug 14, 2008 7:42:45 GMT -5
Jesusheals is right in my opinion, we all have to look at this from a diffirent perspective because it's just as much of a "physical" affliction as it is a non-phyical or spiritual one. They say what you can't see will not hurt you but the OPPOSITE is ture. It's my believe that there are such things as evil and whatever you what to call them monsters, demons or aliens there all the same thing and they CAN infulence our minds and our lives in hunderd and one ways.
But I am not a religious man nor do i believe that Jesus was the son of god. But i do beileve there are a lot of hidden truths in the Jewish and Chirstian bible. We can change things and if we were to alow new ideas and ways of thinking into our lives things would improve dramtically. It is no good just sitting in the churchs today and singing hims which has been done well over the past nice-hunderd years... Action is required to set us free from the influence of evil monsters, demons and aliens which what to control our minds and our lives. Don't let them! I know you going to think I'm in a contest to see who is going to come up with the craziest sounding story well you are not alone jeausheal as this is probably sounding the craziest so far! But completly true in my opinion.
The key is not singing hims, but action thru foused intent fousing on Positive intent like in meditaion and clearing your mind of netagivity and using that positive "Intent" to drive out evil demonic forces like demons and aliens. They hate being around positve energies and it burns them from the inside out! Just study what the scripture is really saying in revolations and in the rest of the Bilbe, events have been prohetised to be happaning in these times and they are happaning in the background right now!
It's just a choice a choice between darkness and light. Action and positive intent is the key to healing our selves and being involed in helping to heal the planet and all of it's creatures.
Bless you all!
Awake
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Post by morph on Aug 14, 2008 11:50:13 GMT -5
Thats an old picture , that is a picture of me when I was young, handsom, virle and vibrant, we must have been lovers a long time ago Meredith, its true,I always leave that picture behind after a tryst, if it has a signature on it, you were good. Just teasing, you know of all the women I was with, actually, only one was good, she took the job serious, I wrote her name in the mens room, LOL. Good article Awakening2012, you might be a Hindu actually. The bible is a great book it has an answer to all mans deeds and misdeeds, but scripture means one thing to a genious and quite another to a lunitic. Jim Jones was a holy man, what kind of people followed him into Africa, David Koresh was a holy man, what type of people followed him in Waco Texas. The present pope today is a holy man, he was also a HITLER YOUTH need I say more. Religion is what it is, if it helps YOU, I am for it, if it allows you to be controled or taken over by, A HOLY MAN, then I am against it, belief in god and organized religon are not the same thing. Who do you follow after all into the hereafter, a holy man or Jesus. I never saw Jesus at any book signing either, but Hitler was at some. Do you know that the bible, old testament even has sections on health, what animals to eat, ones not to eat, also some stuff about taking things out of your home that are infected, I can not remember exactly but it goes somthing like this, if it grows the infection remove it from the home, wash it, set it in the sun if it comes back it is a cancer throw it away. the jews have strict laws about their food as you know, this is following their teaching. It is a fact the Kosher food is much better for you. I imagine there is somthing proper about bleeding out of the livestock that is good. Hitler actually used the Jewish food preperation to demonize them in the eyes of the German people, he used movies to show how the animals were killed. How about them apples, appealing to the animal lover in all of us to murder a whole race of people, man, woman and child!!!! Same as our war in Iraq, THEY are religous mad men and women, here we would call them patriots, onward Chritian soldiers. Just imagine if Hitler would have won the war, the history books would have him as a hero. Just like all monsters that win the war, history is written by the victor. Woops I was baited again, sorry, I am a fool for talk of the self rightous that know OF GOD. Ya'll are driving me crazy, or maybe it is just a circumsision your performing on me, WOOPS, I mean exorcism !!!I'm funny! Heeeeeeeeee Haw HEEEEEEEEEEE HAW. thank you thank you Elvis has left the building
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Post by downunder on Aug 15, 2008 4:42:43 GMT -5
"soon I will be ready to conquer the world again, my best idea is to make just one thing every Chinese can not live without."
Well from the program I just saw, you are living in the wrong country - the Chinese LOVE anything made, produced in Australia - why? less pollutants, quality.
The Irony of that is - most of the products on our shelves are "made in China" - CRAZY WORLD.
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Post by jesusheals on Sept 5, 2008 21:13:42 GMT -5
Just felt like beating the horse again! Have a great weekend friends! God Bless, Greg
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Post by jesusheals on Nov 14, 2008 1:11:15 GMT -5
I just can't quit... I copied the following information from a Catholic website... The church has been performing exorcisms since the beginning (both Protestants and Catholics). The result of an exorcism is generally peace for the person that was afflicted. In determining whether a person is possessed by the devil or his demons, the Church would first make sure he underwent thorough physical and psychiatric examinations. Eliminating these natural causes, Church officials would seek other signs: unexplainable physical phenomena, such as levitation or the uncaused movement of objects; the knowledge and usage of archaic languages which the person would have no way of previously knowing, such as speaking Aramaic; Have any of you experienced any "unexplainable physical phenomena?" Have you experienced blinking lights, movement of objects, electrical devices going haywire? Have you experienced any static electricity? You know the devil is described in "Luke 10" as falling like "lightning" out of heaven. Also, have you heard any foreign languages in your mind for which you are unfamiliar? The following is a post from earlier this year; After a discussion group with 12 Morg victims, something came to light that no one has spoken of and one can clearly see why.
Noises originating from the head, more clearly in one ear or the other, sharp electronic sounds, rythmic beeping, strange music unlike what we would expect, low conversational voices (not necessarily in English (one was actually defined as Russian)), buzzing, humming, and white noise.
We all had these experiences. The same Catholic website that I referred to previously lists the following as typical causes for demonic harassment: for example, living a mortally sinful lifestyle, the habitual practice of evil, the desire to explore the occult and the fascination with forms of spiritism, magic, and sorcery. (www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0138.html) Again, the affliction of the devil is nothing at all new to this world. He has been at it a very long time. In your own strength and ability, you are powerless to overcome his assaults - even with anti-nanobot technology... However, God has made a way for you to be delivered from oppression. He sent His Son Jesus, His perfect sacrificial lamb, to suffer and die in your place to atone for your sins. The blood of Jesus Christ will overcome any demon from hell, including Satan himself, but you have to appropriate it. Accept and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, believe that God raised Him from the dead, and turn from the practice of sin through repentance and faith in Christ. Additionally, I strongly recommend that you seek assistance from a priest/minister that is experienced in the area of deliverance or exorcism (I did and it definitely helped). I can help locate someone for you if you need assistance. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any personal questions or comments. Thanks for listening & God Bless. In Christ Jesus, Greg
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Post by sadsack on Nov 14, 2008 17:41:22 GMT -5
Greg - I agree up to a point. I believe that this malady is an unholy marriage of evil men and the devil. I believe it was made by science on a demonic mission, and it is hard to separate out the two as they are so intertwined. I also believe this is ushering in the End Times. anewday
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Post by fanfavorite on Nov 15, 2008 10:39:03 GMT -5
When it refers to the "Devil falling out of lightening" it is a metaphor used to describe how quickly he was cast out & in what sort of fashion. When you see a bolt of lightening flash in the sky it's quick, without warning, & (from a human perspective)... often frightening because of it's power & ability to strike anywhere at anytime... & it's completely out of our control. The bible uses so many metaphors to convey and help us better to understand God's word because of his obvious superiority in every single way... mentally... linguistically... Of course, we all know that the bible was written by man but inspired by GOD. 2 Peter 1:20, 21: "No prophecy of Scriptures spring from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by the holy spirit." I must admit that I have been quite apalled by some of the post I have read that speak of this disease possibly coming from a denomic entity and that we should consider the possibility of denomic possesion. That's just plain sick and wrong... I want to point out that there are quite a few illnesses in which people have similar symptoms to the ones mentioned within "JESUSHEALS" posts that led him to consider the possibility of denomic possesion. Dare I even go out on a limb and say that there are a gazillion illnesses that cause "delusions" from the way the disease attacks one's body... then mind. I would like to aske "JESUSHEALS" if he believes that people who are mentally ill and suffering from schizophrenia, splite personalities, etc. Are they possesed? Cursed? Last point... Job. One of God's most faithful followers spoken of within the scriptures... well, he was (after Satan challenged God in saying that Job was ONLY faithful because it was easy for him due to his many blessings)... well, God then ALLOWED satan to test his "theory" by taking away EVERYTHING. All of his children died, he lost his wealth... he lost A LOT of things... but, the one thing I would like to hit on is that when he lost his health... Job was in so much pain. He was stricken with the most horrific disease... he had a 'wasting disesase' & he was covered in lesions and boils. He also smelt so foul that his own wife coudln't stand to be near him and he had to leave and isolate himself from the rest of the people within the land. He was alone... in so much pain and agony that he would take pieces of clay pots to scratch his skin till it bled... till it was raw... After proving himself faithful... even though he wondered and even BELIEVED at one point that God himself had cursed him... he remained faithful & was blessed tenfold. SO! With that said... perhaps on the flipside... we are being tested VS possessed... someone mentioned (Kammy?) that so many of us seem to be extremely spiritual. I agree. Maybe... I do know one thing. GOD would NEVER inflict such pain on his children. HOWEVER... satan would. SO, I positively believe that this is from Satan and that all evil is. I just think that we all have God on our side crying with us, watching as his heart aches for us... praying with us (listening to our prayers)... hoping that we too, like Job... will remain loving vs resentful and angry-humbled vs bitter-hopeful vs suicidal-faitful vs blaming God and turning our backs on him. He wants us to make it through these last days and prove Satan to be the liar he is. Prove to Satan that his children will love him by CHOICE... no matter what happens throughout these last days in which Satan is able to run rampant trying to take as many down with him as possible. Satan knows his days are numbered... he is the epitome of someone who lives by the qoute, "misery loves company". Hang in there everyone! It's going to be a bumpy ride... but the prize... will be worth this misery times a billion when we make it through this test. It IS one HELL of a test & as the bible says, "he will never give us more than we can handle"... so, we must be something special in his eyes... because this is the hardest thing I have ever dealt with. No doubt about that. Peace and love to all... & MANY prayers!
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Post by downunder on Nov 15, 2008 15:05:29 GMT -5
Hi jesusheals In answer to your questions re voices, noises etc etc - my answer to that is - No, I have not had any of them.
I do however, constantly speak and tell Satan to ............
Fanfavourite - interesting you refer to Job and the reason I say that is not only have I been dealing with this problem inflicted upon us all for approx 18months but the reality is my entire life has also been destroyed on all fronts (not related to Morgellons in any way).
I left it all behind about 9 months ago which literally mean't that financially I did not have a cent to my name - still don't. On paper yes, in reality, no and the complications keep on keeping on. I am spiritual - always have been and have always known from around 5yrs age that there has always been and internal battle within me - i.e. one of Satan vs God.
Anyway getting back to Job. I continually praise and pray but Job was not an area of the Bible that I had ever visited and within my praying at the commencement of this disaster, I would ask for direction and something to give me hope. Would just open the bible while praying and guess where it took me to my surprise (after I read it) - to Job 42: 1:17. I then had to read Job in entirety and I agree with what you have said above. I can't relate the beginning of my life to that of Job's but I know "two" things that I can definitely identify as gifts from God to me from my earliest life: 1. blessed with health (and I have said this numerous times here) and 2. an Overcomer. So I suppose you could say this is an attack on (1) but it is true I have not suffered as many here have and the daily attack I use works. With (2) there has been many attempts through my entire life - not just through this problem but a general pattern and at the 11th hour Jesus always pulls me through.
It is strange because I am continually taken to the above AND Luke 22:26. I keep responding by telling the Lord - OK I can see but when will it end? I am without doubt that this problem is "of this earth" and man made i.e. Satan working through man for whatever reason - it is most definitely not "of God".
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Post by jesusheals on Nov 16, 2008 19:56:45 GMT -5
Fanfavorite, Thank you for your response. You are correct to point out my very loose interpretation of Luke 10. I wasn't making a statement of fact as much as I was making a possible connection. Having said that, there is definite precedence with regard to evil spirits affecting electricity or having an electrical affect on people and appliances (etc). Please see the following written in 2004. www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37075I'm sorry that you are appalled and believe me to be "just plain sick and wrong." I humbly disagree with your assessment in the strongest sense. On the contrary, here's what would be "sick & wrong:" 1. To have a very serious encounter with the evil spiritual realm and not share my testimony with anyone. 2. To notice amazing similarities between my own experience and the symptoms which make up Morgellons disease and not convey my concerns to those that are suffering with this affliction. 3. To not educate Christians (and others) that indeed there are such entities as demons and they have been literally afflicting God's people from the beginning (Adam & Eve, Israelites, Job, King Saul, Apostle Paul, Ananias & Sapphira, early church fathers, Martin Luther, Cotton Mather, John Wesley, etc...). 4. To fail to inform people suffering with this horrible affliction that you can receive deliverance from evil spirits by turning diligently to Jesus Christ and, if necessary, by visiting churches or ministries that are familiar with deliverance. These things would be "sick and wrong" in my opinion. I have been on this forum for almost a year now. My only purpose for being here is to convey what I firmly believe is the truth - Morgellons is demonic (directly demonic - although there may be wizards, witches, and other nefarious people involved). I just want to help people receive deliverance from evil spirits. That's all I want to do. I am not selling anything. I do not have any ulterior motives. I just want to help because I have suffered from the same symptoms - and in my case they were ABSOLUTELY demonic. Why do ministries such as Ellel (and many others) exist if there was not a demand for such ministry? People all over the world are experiencing the delivering power of the Holy Spirit - just like in the time of Christ. I pray regularly that the same will happen for all of you. Listen, we are not talking about your ordinary disease here. People are being stung, bitten, and scratched by unseen entities. They are hearing strange voices (languages) in their head and are having weird experiences with appliances and electricity. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... Please don't suffer another day in torment and agony hoping for a solution from the medical community. Place your faith in Christ and trust Him for your healing and deliverance. It is literally happening for others - why not you? (1. www.healing-deliverance.com/testimonies14.html 2. www.christian-faith.com/html/page/deliverance_testimonies 3. www.realdeliverance.com/testmony.shtml4. www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#physicalhealing5. www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#falsereligions) As always, please feel free to PM me if you have any comments or questions, or if you would like to be connected to someone in ministry that can assist you in this regard. God bless. P.S. I am not against people receiving medical help (drugs, procedures, etc). I just don't think that they are going to fully solve the problem. In Christ Jesus, Greg When it refers to the "Devil falling out of lightening" it is a metaphor used to describe how quickly he was cast out & in what sort of fashion. When you see a bolt of lightening flash in the sky it's quick, without warning, & (from a human perspective)... often frightening because of it's power & ability to strike anywhere at anytime... & it's completely out of our control. The bible uses so many metaphors to convey and help us better to understand God's word because of his obvious superiority in every single way... mentally... linguistically... Of course, we all know that the bible was written by man but inspired by GOD. 2 Peter 1:20, 21: "No prophecy of Scriptures spring from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by the holy spirit." I must admit that I have been quite apalled by some of the post I have read that speak of this disease possibly coming from a denomic entity and that we should consider the possibility of denomic possesion. That's just plain sick and wrong... I want to point out that there are quite a few illnesses in which people have similar symptoms to the ones mentioned within "JESUSHEALS" posts that led him to consider the possibility of denomic possesion. Dare I even go out on a limb and say that there are a gazillion illnesses that cause "delusions" from the way the disease attacks one's body... then mind. I would like to aske "JESUSHEALS" if he believes that people who are mentally ill and suffering from schizophrenia, splite personalities, etc. Are they possesed? Cursed? Last point... Job. One of God's most faithful followers spoken of within the scriptures... well, he was (after Satan challenged God in saying that Job was ONLY faithful because it was easy for him due to his many blessings)... well, God then ALLOWED satan to test his "theory" by taking away EVERYTHING. All of his children died, he lost his wealth... he lost A LOT of things... but, the one thing I would like to hit on is that when he lost his health... Job was in so much pain. He was stricken with the most horrific disease... he had a 'wasting disesase' & he was covered in lesions and boils. He also smelt so foul that his own wife coudln't stand to be near him and he had to leave and isolate himself from the rest of the people within the land. He was alone... in so much pain and agony that he would take pieces of clay pots to scratch his skin till it bled... till it was raw... After proving himself faithful... even though he wondered and even BELIEVED at one point that God himself had cursed him... he remained faithful & was blessed tenfold. SO! With that said... perhaps on the flipside... we are being tested VS possessed... someone mentioned (Kammy?) that so many of us seem to be extremely spiritual. I agree. Maybe... I do know one thing. GOD would NEVER inflict such pain on his children. HOWEVER... satan would. SO, I positively believe that this is from Satan and that all evil is. I just think that we all have God on our side crying with us, watching as his heart aches for us... praying with us (listening to our prayers)... hoping that we too, like Job... will remain loving vs resentful and angry-humbled vs bitter-hopeful vs suicidal-faitful vs blaming God and turning our backs on him. He wants us to make it through these last days and prove Satan to be the liar he is. Prove to Satan that his children will love him by CHOICE... no matter what happens throughout these last days in which Satan is able to run rampant trying to take as many down with him as possible. Satan knows his days are numbered... he is the epitome of someone who lives by the qoute, "misery loves company". Hang in there everyone! It's going to be a bumpy ride... but the prize... will be worth this misery times a billion when we make it through this test. It IS one HELL of a test & as the bible says, "he will never give us more than we can handle"... so, we must be something special in his eyes... because this is the hardest thing I have ever dealt with. No doubt about that. Peace and love to all... & MANY prayers!
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Post by fanfavorite on Dec 10, 2008 20:18:15 GMT -5
"Jesusheals"... well, of course it's great for you to share YOUR experiences with others.... but to assume that what those of us suffering with this affliction really need is deliverance from the evil spirits is just plain nonsense... if you want to look at everything bad in your life and everyone elses and claim that it's due to denomic possesion... fine... but, just because this afflection is terrifying and bizarre does NOT give you the right to make bold assumptions in the manner you have. Cancer and many other disease are horrific in nature too... do you think that they are possessed or need "deliverence"? Just think a bit more before you speak. The things you speak of are not light... and to make someone who is already scared, sad, being rejected by their loved ones, & probably even a bit guilt stricken by mere human nature... well, to try and tell them that they basically SHOULD feel guilty and ashamed on top of every other horrifying emotion they have been left to deal with... you may think that your words are "healing"... but, the opposite is true... you might drive some INNOCENT sufferer to suicide. This IS NOT our fault... Guilt is SATAN's NUMBER one tool... don't help him use it and then take on a name such as "Jesusheals"... your words cut... they are scary... and I still find them to be sick and wrong... you can share YOUR experience without implying that all of those suffering with this are d**ned just because you feel you were. Have love for your fellow brothers and sisters... how about some uplifting and encouraging words vs such judgmental assumptions... I think it's sad. I wish you the best... you will be in my prayers... I could use the same in return... but, PLEASE... let's let god do the judging. YOU MUST realize that the things you are implying are so unbelievably... WOW... just wow... do you think that the children afflicted with this are possessed too?
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Post by fanfavorite on Dec 10, 2008 20:23:05 GMT -5
the blurb below with suggested sites was listed by jesusheals... JH, don't you know what it says in the BIBLE about psychics? I will give you a chance to answer before I give you the verses to look up... you suggest in one of the sites you list ... well it says "PSYCHIC healing". The bible is very clear on the fact that that is from the devil and detestable to God. Perhaps that might have been the door you opened that let the evil spirits in? Be careful... Satan is cunning... Please don't suffer another day in torment and agony hoping for a solution from the medical community. Place your faith in Christ and trust Him for your healing and deliverance. It is literally happening for others - why not you? (1. www.healing-deliverance.com/testimonies14.html 2.http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/deliverance_testimonies 3.http://www.realdeliverance.com/testmony.shtml 4.http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#physicalhealing 5. www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#falsereligions)
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Post by jesusheals on Dec 10, 2008 21:00:24 GMT -5
FanFavorite, In no way do I support any type of psychic healing. I am fervently against such things. If you can show me specifically where I am referring someone to a "psychic healer" I will gladly remove it. One of the links below refers to a testimony of "physical healing." Is this what you are talking about? Truly, Greg the blurb below with suggested sites was listed by jesusheals... JH, don't you know what it says in the BIBLE about psychics? I will give you a chance to answer before I give you the verses to look up... you suggest in one of the sites you list ... well it says "PSYCHIC healing". The bible is very clear on the fact that that is from the devil and detestable to God. Perhaps that might have been the door you opened that let the evil spirits in? Be careful... Satan is cunning... Please don't suffer another day in torment and agony hoping for a solution from the medical community. Place your faith in Christ and trust Him for your healing and deliverance. It is literally happening for others - why not you? (1. www.healing-deliverance.com/testimonies14.html 2.http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/deliverance_testimonies 3.http://www.realdeliverance.com/testmony.shtml 4.http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#physicalhealing 5. www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/#falsereligions)
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Post by jesusheals on Dec 10, 2008 23:45:49 GMT -5
Fanfavorite, Thanks for your response. Don't make me wait so long next time (just kidding). With regard to your opinion that my beliefs are just plain nonsense, respectfully, I disagree. First let me make clear that I don't know whether or not every single person suffering from Morgellons is doing so on account of demonic oppression. The symptoms of Morgellons are wide-ranging and it would be ill-advised to make such a blanket statement of such a multi-faceted affliction. Having said that, I am confident that some members of this forum are here because they have unwittingly given place to our spiritual enemy (Ephesians 4:27). I don't believe that I have ever used the term demon-possessed; especially not when referring to someone who is a believer in Jesus Christ. Christians are "possessed" by God. He has purchased us with the blood of Christ and we belong to Him. However, it is poor biblical understanding to think that because you believe in Jesus that you are exempt from Satan's advances, schemes, and afflictions. Satan sifted St. Peter like wheat you know (Luke 22:31)... By the way, do you know how wheat is sifted? A person puts the stalk of wheat on a sieve (mesh device) and then the wheat is tossed up and down and shaken to and fro (thereby separating the grain). Morgellons, in its' progressive state, is nothing like cancer or any other disease. How are electrical disturbances, hearing foreign languages, sensations of being burnt, stung, pinched, prodded, and bitten, hair movement, sensations of being shaken to and fro, and much more, anything like cancer or any other disease known to man? On the other hand, I have provided a number of deliverance and exorcism related articles and websites which speak of these very same symptoms as having a demonic origin. Please point me to a place in any of my writings where I have told people that they should feel "guilty and ashamed." On the contrary, I have instructed people to diligently turn to God through confession, repentance, prayer, bible study, and deliverance ministry. I do believe that this process should include Godly remorse, but I have never suggested that it should include guilt and shame - those are your words. I would never want to rub someone's face in the mud of their own mistakes. Of the sinners on this board, I may be the worst. However, does not the Bible tell us to confess our sins so that we may be healed (James 5:16)? Didn't Jesus also say, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.” - John 5:14. The word also says in Hosea 6:1, " Come, and let us return to the LORD;For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up." And finally, one of my personal favorites, 2 Chronicles 7:14 states, "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Also, I have NEVER suggested that someone that is demonically afflicted is d_mned. Again, this is something that you have come up with. On the contrary, believers will never be separated from the love of God, regardless of angels or demons (etc), according to Romans 8:38-39.
With respect to morgellons "not being our fault," I have no absolute answer for you. In some cases you may be right. In others I believe you are probably wrong. The devil doesn't play fair. He is merciless and will use emotional trauma, abuse, and any other form of pain in order to cause destruction. He also uses sins of past generations as a right to afflict an individual (e.g. grandpa was a murderer). However, I will not ignore the component of personal sin as a possible factor regarding the causation of morgellons disease. The bible says clearly that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). As I mentioned in different posts, one significant manner in which the devil gains a foothold in our lives is through New Age, or occult participation. I believe that these things are common denominators for many people suffering with morgellons. I don't say this frivolously, I say this because of what I've read both publicly and privately. So does this make me a jerk to mention such things or am I merely warning people of what I truly believe are dangerous practices? Am I being judgmental? What if you (in ignorance) were using 10+ packets of Sweet N Low per day. What if someone saw this and told you, "Hey, I heard that stuff contains aspartame which is a dangerous cancer causing chemical. Perhaps you should reconsider using that..." Would you give them a piece of your mind or would you say, "Thanks, I wasn't aware of that."
The Bible says in Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed by lack of knowledge..." It also says that we reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7). If we are sowing things that aren't good for us, whether purposefully or ignorantly, we are going to reap the consequences.
Even so, the Lord has made a way for us to return to Him and be healed. Here are my encouraging words for you FanFavorite:
Acts 10:38 says, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.'
Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
1 John 4:10 "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
James 4:7 "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
Finally, Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
In Christ Jesus, Greg
"Jesusheals"... well, of course it's great for you to share YOUR experiences with others.... but to assume that what those of us suffering with this affliction really need is deliverance from the evil spirits is just plain nonsense... if you want to look at everything bad in your life and everyone elses and claim that it's due to denomic possesion... fine... but, just because this afflection is terrifying and bizarre does NOT give you the right to make bold assumptions in the manner you have. Cancer and many other disease are horrific in nature too... do you think that they are possessed or need "deliverence"? Just think a bit more before you speak. The things you speak of are not light... and to make someone who is already scared, sad, being rejected by their loved ones, & probably even a bit guilt stricken by mere human nature... well, to try and tell them that they basically SHOULD feel guilty and ashamed on top of every other horrifying emotion they have been left to deal with... you may think that your words are "healing"... but, the opposite is true... you might drive some INNOCENT sufferer to suicide. This IS NOT our fault... Guilt is SATAN's NUMBER one tool... don't help him use it and then take on a name such as "Jesusheals"... your words cut... they are scary... and I still find them to be sick and wrong... you can share YOUR experience without implying that all of those suffering with this are d**ned just because you feel you were. Have love for your fellow brothers and sisters... how about some uplifting and encouraging words vs such judgmental assumptions... I think it's sad. I wish you the best... you will be in my prayers... I could use the same in return... but, PLEASE... let's let god do the judging. YOU MUST realize that the things you are implying are so unbelievably... WOW... just wow... do you think that the children afflicted with this are possessed too?
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