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Post by downunder on Aug 6, 2008 6:39:40 GMT -5
How prevalent is this nightmare in Australia? And what are the "longest" cases? I've heard, in the US, almost 30 years. I'm asking because I guess most people believe this started in the US, Texas probably. Just doing some "research"... SS This is not talked about here at all - maybe fear, don't know. I went searching when I realised this was not a parasite and I was dealing with something else and came across this website and a number of others in the U.S. I went to my doctor 6months down the track as I knew there was no point going for parasites, they only guess which ones just as we do - anyway decided the only way I could get to the bottom of it was to collect some samples and ask the doctor to have them tested. Did this and decided to send to the Dept. of Entomology at Sydney University. Never mentioned Morgellons to the doctor but suspected it. Report from Sydney Uni was that NO PARASITES were found and listed all the samples: Hair, Body, Bedding, Clothing etc Every single sample showed synthetic fibres. I put some of the worm type samples in there and I know undoubtedly that some of these plus others were in the hair solution which was water and tea tree oil. They found nothing but did say some "plant" matter was also found - the latter is very interesting also don't you think. They obviously had no idea what they found and I believe the worm type samples disintegrate in the lab. Nothing was found in the stool the doctor had tested either and there was no doubt I had intestinal worms then, not now. I spoke with Sydney Uni after the tests prior to getting report and they told me the above. I told them the fibres bite and they said "fibres don't bite" - SO GUESS THAT ANSWERS your question about whether or not this is recognised or talked about in Australia - no, not to my knowledge.
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Post by shubot on Aug 6, 2008 22:58:29 GMT -5
Hi, downunder, and welcome to the board All of my lab tests came back negative too. I could see the worms, but the lab said "negative". You can't fight with the lab and win, at least I couldn't.
My Hair fibers bite too. I know how you feel, hang in there.
shubot
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Post by debbied on Aug 6, 2008 22:58:45 GMT -5
downunder can you tell me the name of the worm tablets and were they from the dr.thank you for your info. Hi Jody First of all the reason I took them was I realised that for quite some time I had not been "normal" and thought I should give it a go. I have been "normal" ever since. Reason I have taken 4 lots over 6 months is that if an irritation occurs for any length of time, I do it. I also read that with Hookworm e.g. you often need 3-4 goes to get rid of it and of course reinfection, the pills don't cover and I reckon we are reinfected on a daily basis and that this is why the cycle just keeps on keeping on. Here we have two types of worming tablets which can be bought over the counter at any Pharmacy. 1. wormer for Threadworm 2. wormer for "all" intestinal worms including Threadworm. I bought No. 2. The product that had mebanzadole as the active ingredient was the Pharmacy's own label and it was called De-Worm for all intestinal worms. The product that had Pyrantel as the active ingredient was called "Combantrim" - been around for years. Combantrim's product for "all" intestinal worms is as stated and Combantrims product for "Threadworm" has the active ingredient mebanzadole. That's why I tried both products for "All" intestinal worms. I have taken a fourth lot in the last week as what I saw was definitely like hook worm or round worm. I told the doctor this and the doctor told me - we "rarely" ever see either of those worms in Australia the only common worm we treat most patients for is "Threadworm" - I can tell you what I saw WAS NOT Threadworm. Gave up on the doctor as they found nothing in tests - same old story but I know what I see etc. Someone on this website recommended Selsun Shampoo - thought my hair was good until I used that - amazing and you use it on the body too. I had worms coming out of my hair when rinsing in shower and biting into my body - got them though. First time ever I have had a couple of lesions. I put Manuka Honey (NZ) 20+ on lesions immediately after showering and they healed within a couple of hours. Was fed up with not being able to get my face totally clear of the darn things - always irritiation so tonight I smothered my face with the same honey - sticky mess, left for 15mins and washed off - you would not believe what came off my face - the nasty red ones, worms and couldnt even see them prior to the honey. The reason I say NZ Manuka Honey is because it is the most potent in the world due to the plant itself and the soils in NZ being much younger than most of the world - it is marvellous stuff.
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Post by debbied on Aug 6, 2008 23:01:45 GMT -5
Hi. My name is Debbie. Am 37yrs and been tormented by this since December 24, 2007. I am desperately looking for sufferers in Australia. Also, I am seeking support groups/networks/contacts, as I am soooo alone and feel that connecting with other sufferers will definately help here. Thanks DebD
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Post by shubot on Aug 6, 2008 23:09:41 GMT -5
Hi, Debbie and welcome to the board. I am so sorry you are suffering with this nightmare, I understand. There are several members on this forum from Australia. So, all of you good people from Australia, let Debbie know you are here and you are from Australia! shubot
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Post by debbied on Aug 7, 2008 0:15:05 GMT -5
Thank you so much for such comforting words. I will leave my computer on-line today and tonight, to hopefully hear from Aussie's. I can't express enough how much connecting with an australian sufferer will help me. Thanks again DebbieD
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Post by shubot on Aug 7, 2008 0:22:26 GMT -5
You are welcome and good luck, Debbie shu
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Post by downunder on Aug 7, 2008 1:30:50 GMT -5
Hi. My name is Debbie. Am 37yrs and been tormented by this since December 24, 2007. I am desperately looking for sufferers in Australia. Also, I am seeking support groups/networks/contacts, as I am soooo alone and feel that connecting with other sufferers will definately help here. Thanks DebD Hi DebD and Welcome Wow you have been suffering this for quite some time. It's amazing to me this is being ignored or not talked about here. Anyway, contact me anytime via the board or send me a personal message. I don't know of any support groups or anything else to do with Morgellons here but you never know what tomorrow will bring. downunder
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Post by debbied on Aug 7, 2008 1:46:54 GMT -5
It's actually a huge relief that I'm navigating this web site and have a voice here, which is masively important. This is the 1st break from crawling, biting, etc that I have had all year. (5 days). Up until now, the symptoms were so extreme, especially as the Entermologist identified 4 x different parasites (from the specimen samples I presented him with). I gave samples to the Entermologist from my headlice comb 5 days. I'm very freaked out by whats going on and how much I don't know. I'm hoping to find some answers, or more importantly, a reason to hope that life will get better
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Post by downunder on Aug 7, 2008 7:50:55 GMT -5
It's like being in the middle of a bad dream that never ends, isn't it. Maybe it's not morgellons you are dealing with if they identified 5 different parasites. What were they? Maybe it's an Ozzie thing that resembles morgellons. I would really like to know - also what the dr. gave you that has worked for you. Very interesting.
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Post by downunder on Aug 7, 2008 7:56:23 GMT -5
Oh and Debbied, life will definitely get better. We are all floundering in a pool of the unknown. As it gradually becomes less unknown and if we can ever figure out precisely how to deal with it, we can get on with it. Keep positive - the best is yet to come. It's just working through the ever changing maze but we will get there you can count on that.
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Post by morph on Aug 7, 2008 15:33:26 GMT -5
Wow we are getting new people , NEW NEW NEW what has happened here, its quite nice not to know there are more ailing but to see them seek the comfort and knowledge for themselves, no matter how limited the ideas are, we ought to open a Limited drug and poison, natural hospital. This worm, larva infestation thing may have somthing to do with the fungus smell we give off, others have said they can not get away from bugs they hound them, look up this, fungus larva food, fungus worm food, also the parent of the larva may be whay spreds the lyme disease, when I used the anti fungel on the lesion the other day it went from being a raised lump to being convex like a crater on the moon overnight. they following day my lungs began to ache and also I could smell yeast on my hands ah ha. Could this fungus be caused by the dung that the invader leaves inside us. well maybe
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Post by morph on Aug 7, 2008 16:26:57 GMT -5
The ozone will kill the parasites that are in the colon AND I feel this is where the main problem starts from, here again is the site that sells a good one cheap, you can purify water, delouse food to eat of parisites and chemical. You can infuse the ozone in ears and colon, infusing directly into the colon is what completly kills the adult breeders, but you need to do this at least eight times in a month to make sure, then check as time goes on. I highly reccomend this BECAUSE i had THREE parisite negative tests and when I infused the ozone happy day O HAPPY DAY there was my wonderful worms that they could not find and I do mean a pile. I never saw anything in the stool and I am a stool watcher, LOL after all that goes on, a good indicater of the condition of the colon is what come out, the condition of the whole body is depending on what the colon can processes. Oh I almost forgot, eat flax seeds whole with a glass of water to keep yourself regular, ladies you will like this alot as it has no taste and it goes down easily, try it you will like it, DO NOT CHEW THE SEEDS FIRST, they will get all over your teeth and stick inside your mouth. Just swallow whole seeds with a glass of water. I found that after killing the worms my colon started to suck all the nutriants out of whatever I ate causing refuse like a brick that is truly why I offer the flax as an idea, but for all involved it works great anyway. Happy exausting, get away from that poison for awhile try the ozone, ozone is also good for making ozonated olive oil. Ozoned olive oil DISSOLVES THE WHITE PLASTIC BARRIER OR MATERIAL which ever you prefer. There is two marvelous things to use in WRAPINGS , WRAPINGS ARE done by putting the ointment on the lesions or afflicted are leg or even the torso then wrap the body with plastic wrap, you will not belive how fast the lesion heals, or how quickly the hard white plastic matter that will not hardly burn will dissolve, it will rub off easily, Now further, ONE is the ozoned olive oil the other is Original Desitin ( what is ORIGINAL DESITIN ) it is the 40 persent Zinc Oxide babys ass protector, smells a little like fish, You can buy others but most are not 40%. The best ozoned olive oil made I have ever found is made by www.activatedoxygen.co.uk this is the BEST ozoned olive oil. Now for one more time I will show the site to buy a good ozone machine, www.air-purifiers-superstore.com/constant_on_water_ozonator.html Now I would like you to read about ozone, its pretty good stuff, and here is one last thing that I did, I bagged afflicted arms and legs with plastic bag and rubber band to hold bag closed, then put the ozone inside, it also affected the lesion, also makes skin silky smooth, I feel like a newborn baby. These are very good tools in this fight to KILL this stuff, it just does not ward off the symptoms.
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Post by downunder on Aug 7, 2008 22:14:55 GMT -5
Thanks a million Morph for all your trouble and information - I will definitely keep it for when needed. As I have put in other posts, I dont actually have any lesions appearing and the couple that I did have were the result of me extracting a worm type object and have healed cleanly but that is not to say the future will not give me need for the products you have kindly recommended - broke at present anyway but that is about to change. ;D Today has started fantastically - all good stuff flowing in from all angles - very fast - head spinning. On the bug side - still telling them to buggar off and I believe they are vacating but I am aware of their little tricks of "re-grouping" so will not let up in any area of my attack. First time in 6-9months my comb solution has been almost clear - I was amazed - still no biting, itching or crawling doing as I have done for the last couple of weeks and rear end etc in good stead. But until I see absolutely NOTHING for a reasonable period of time, I won't let up. Sending my good stuff flow to you all for Friday 8th - Oh happy day. ;D
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Post by debbied on Aug 15, 2008 4:07:44 GMT -5
Hi again.
When I went to visit an Entermologist in Brisbane, this is what was identified:
1. Collembola (aka springtails) 2. Leaf Hoppers 3. Fungus gnat 4. specimen that is apparent in each of the sample containers presented to him, but he had no idea what it is.
ALSO
The entermologist also explaind to me that these don't live on humans, only plants.
Just try telling a scared ME that b........
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Post by downunder on Aug 15, 2008 4:36:20 GMT -5
Hi debbied - was worried you weren't coming back. Wow - well I haven't a jolly clue what any of those things are but it is very interesting in that I worked in a nursery for 2years and a big gardener, however, not been in the garden for some time.
Still think mine came from fibres but it's more than possible that the fibre + one of those bugs linked up together somehow.
Don't be scared - just keep attacking. I am working on becoming totally undesirable to them and keep telling them to buggar off back where they came from.
Hope to see you on here again soon. Downunder
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Post by debbied on Aug 15, 2008 4:42:10 GMT -5
Also, I was prescribed medication "Ivermectin" My nutszu dog (bailey) was also prescribed medication "Ivermectin"
Q. I'm having quite noticeable vision problems. Many days I just cannot see any of the words, no matter how big the print is. Is this common?
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Post by downunder on Aug 15, 2008 4:47:12 GMT -5
I have read/heard apparently it is the fibres. I noticed a bit with my vision also but it's ok now.
I don't know if what has worked for me will work for you but take a look at some of my posts, if it's too hard to put it all together let me know and I will send you a message with it all. Not used that product given to you - is it working?
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Post by debbied on Aug 15, 2008 4:56:01 GMT -5
I have been attacking and undesireable with so many products that it's surprising that I havn't kicked the bucket from the chemical onslaught.
Is it normal to get full on attacks, stings, bites, critters that crawl on scalp that I physically remove (using headlice comb) etc., I'm experiencing my first fortnight in remission, instead of fullblown attacks. These attacks leave me in a hysterical state, which is reducing my resilience
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Post by debbied on Aug 15, 2008 4:58:49 GMT -5
Oops, I have to log out (bumma) I took a sleeping tablet and its just kicked in. Good Night or Good morning, depending where you are in this world
Just writing (typing) on this site is inspiring and supportive. Thanks
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Post by sadsack on Aug 16, 2008 11:16:48 GMT -5
My O & P (fecal parasite study) came back negative as well. I told the doctor that it was impossible - the samples were 90% worms! In keeping with Dr. Staninger's theory about all of this, I'm going to have to conclude that what I thought was worms were plastic tubes created by nanotechnology. I don't know if there is anything more frightening, but I also think it's the most reasonable explanation. SS
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Post by morph on Aug 16, 2008 18:23:52 GMT -5
If you will read my posts, I was told the same thing THREE times. I got a ozone machine, Infused the ozone into the colon, the worms came out in piles. Either the companys are not doing their work or this worm avoids detection, but the ozone kills it and kills it quick. You may have to pick thru to see them but they are tan skinny and 2 to 6 inches long. The machine was on sale for $109 now it is $138 here it is again, I guess it is better to pay a doctor to tell you that everything is alright then to destroy the worms. one more time I waste my breath www.air-purifiers-superstore.com/constant_on_water_ozonator.html
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Post by downunder on Aug 16, 2008 20:13:27 GMT -5
I think we are all slightly different and that's why I now say - in my case - I don't feel the worms begin inside but on the scalp -why, because I have got numerous worms off the scalp without realising they were there and they were not fibrous at that point. I got two rather large, orange in colour worms off a hair strand that I combed there because I was being bitten "after" washing hair with coal tar shampoo.
I have for the last month been following a regular process with showering, talc, coconut butter on the body and have not been bitten ONCE, not had any CRAWLING, not had any ITCHING. On the body I massage all down the spine from the neck after 3-5mins of applying and it lifts all off. I think it soaks in and they don't like it - and they begin to exit. At top of spine on the bone I have had to try and pull out what would not release - then put straight tea tree oil there and massaged. What happened was, they then "crystalised" with tea tree on them and released. In the early days using pemethrin I noticed once that was put on the body - I had little "crystals" all over that came off. I think they become a chemical e.g. and thus possibly why not detected in a lab. With this process I now get less and less off the body to the point it was beginning to concern me - "where are you now"?
What happened then was the scalp began to become irritated and my hands and feet mucking up again. So I simultaneously began my attack there.
On the scalp - soaked hair in sink with tea tree, vinegar, salt and combed scalp with lice comb - sink was filled with what I would call "debris". I then used the unrefined coconut and soaked scalp/hair (done this twice). The unrefined coconut then hardens and nothing escapes. Rinsed hair/scalp in warm water and of course, coconut liquifies - combed scalp with lice comb. First time all sorts came off even after the first 2-3 soaks of tea tree, vinegar, salt. And on the first occasion, worms - not fibrous but very dead - tan to black in colour.
Did the above again last night - no worms but debris. Had been having trouble with hair biting so kept at it as believe it's combed from scalp to hair and then and entry sought. NO HAIR PROBLEMS TODAY but won't let up. What I also found came off the scalp was "heaps" of those short hairs - all in varying sizes - I think this is where they begin and grow. Couldn't believe how many there were and they were what was irritating my scalp.
FEET/HANDS paying particular attention - tea tree oil/salt/vinegar - soaking feet, hands rubbing with same washing off - finding same debris/short hairs and itching stopped immediately - skin colour normal again.
Internally - due to tummy rumbling, flatulence took a "low dose" of the all wormer with PYRANTEL in it - makes me queezy but actually found this seemed to get rid of more when I took it a few months ago. When I took the all wormer (mebenzadole) initially and subsequently - it was good and I believe worked as my entire body was better and what amazed me was the first time it seemed to go "straight to my head" and my head cleared very quickly.
I think the chemicals of the past don't, not necessarily work but WEAKEN the IMMUNE system to clear all. Have worked hard to build this up taking Manuka Honey, vitamins, noni, fish oil and forgot I had Manuka Tea and have been drinking that also twice a day.
I am not there yet and need to keep going but I am 100% confident I will beat it with a strengthened immune system and what I am doing. I am also looking at becoming a bit more acidic as I am sure my particular bug doesn't like it.
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Post by downunder on Aug 16, 2008 20:17:36 GMT -5
Oh forgot on the intestinal worm thing. Prior to taking the first all-wormer I was eating chocolate in an unbelievable fashion and I have never been a big chocolate eater. Was craving sugar - according to info on all-wormer, the worms go for the Glucose in the body (thus craving sugar) - the mebenzadole prevent the worms getting the glucose and they die.
I haven't craved sugar since taking the first, initial dose and chocolate- I can take or leave - no craving.
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Post by downunder on Aug 16, 2008 20:50:32 GMT -5
Oh again - and what comes off in the coconut butter on body?
Always worse from neck to below buttocks. Entangled in butter is fibre, some white worm-type (not hard in texture), the red bug (minimal). What is hard to extract or takes more massaging out is white, hard (not plastic), oblong but almost diamond in shape with a dark blue-black nucleous - the black speck I bet beginning to transform.
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Post by morph on Aug 16, 2008 20:57:07 GMT -5
Yes I see, even after I told about the three tests, I see, even downunder believes these worms start on the outside or are not present INSIDE just look at the worm CHARTS you will see most of these worms are INSIDE they may come outside. I have seen at least 3 people here say they were worm negative by testing, I agree with the good doctor most worms can not be seen in the stool untill you treat for them. To those of you that want to stop the worms that they can NOT find with their testing get a OZONE machine and infuse the gas up the ASS when you pass the first load of worms YOU CAN SEE, then you will know, MORPH RULES. LOL Buy an OZONE MACHINE FOR $138 and WORMS AWAY kill them in the colon and the larve will not settle in the lungs drilling holes thru your aveoli or causing fluid buildup, your lungs will improve working. Here is the machine I bought it is a good one, www.air-purifiers-superstore.com/constant_on_water_ozonator.html the rest of you get tested, 50 dollars a pop, doctors visit 60 dollars, doctor drug 35 dollars get tested many times and poison yourself many times. Its truly up to you. OZONE read up on it. Do not breath heavy concentrations of this. I suggest you READ before you try anything. My story is TRUE not a guess by a doctor of NANO up the bung hole.
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Post by downunder on Aug 16, 2008 22:59:58 GMT -5
I hear you Morph but I haven't needed an ozone machine to SEE what came out of the inside and if you say don't breathe high concentrations - can't be any better than anything else but it's a personal choice. I don't visit doctors since the first and last time re this - don't pay doctors fees and quite frankly don't have the money to spend on all the tools you personally choose to use - I have to find another way and for me - this works - maybe not for another as I have said we are all different, our bodies made up differently etc.
I have a different point of view to yourself in that I do not believe they BEGIN inside as I have said before - yes they get there by various means but they don't BEGIN there. Will just agree to disagree on this.
I am only giving information on what I have done that has worked in case anyone who reads it finds they have a similar degree of infection so to speak. I am personally, IN MY CASE, of the firm belief they BEGIN at the top of the body and then it goes from there - that they also regenerate there. I also believe I have to build my immune system so that it is an undesirable environment for them to live in - THAT IS JUST MY PERSONAL ATTITUDE to my PERSONAL and INDIVIDUAL problem according to my body makeup. Think the quicker you get onto the inside building the immune system as above, clearing the outside at the same time the more chance there is of stopping them in their tracks.
From your posts you believe we are born with it - I don't.
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Post by morph on Aug 17, 2008 6:31:55 GMT -5
i wasn't talking to you, why did you answer, hmmmm, you must feel guilty of somthing, hardy har, wonder what it is, the worms did not get here by imaculate conseption. No sireeee, the worms most all of them come into your grocery hole, but some can actually go thru skin, can you imagine a disease that can not be transfered thru the blood from birth or genes, or how about birth fluid, hmmm , no chance, your right, your always right, O Great one. I stand in your shadow. What do you think about this awakening, didn't you say your father suffered from bad skin. hmmmmmm, genes or blood, take a pick, I choose blood, gens will mostly carry immunity I think from previous disease exposure, yup yup, but thats a thinking mans idea, nothing more, nothing less
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Post by morph on Aug 17, 2008 6:46:52 GMT -5
Is there a door out of this twilight zone. ha ha ha ha, LOL
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Post by downunder on Aug 17, 2008 16:02:30 GMT -5
I am most definitely not always right - in fact in the twilight zone there is no right or wrong - a door out - INDEED LOL just gotta get the blind fold off, the knot in mine is unfolding.
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