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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Jul 6, 2006 17:39:27 GMT -5
(Authors note: The post below is an excerpt from a communication with another Morgellons victim. The subject was the apparently now discredited theory that Morgellons was caused by the insect known as "Collembolla")
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Greetings, Southcity:
You are correct. The collembolla theory does NOT explain this disease.
In fact, it does not even come close. IMO We are dealing with a unique and highly engineered creation. It is the work of genius, albeit dark or, (at best) "hijacked" genius.
I personally feel that there are less than half a dozen laboratories on the entire planet, and even fewer microbiologists and genetic engineers with the skill to even begin to assemble this "thing"
It is highly contagious and vectors itself in a variety of ingenious ways, including hitchhiking a ride on cotton products.
This thing is so bizarre that it defies description much less categorization.
However, It seems perfectly matched to the human animal. It is a designer parasite with a wide utilitarian scope. I have hundreds of files from victims on every continent on earth except Antarctic. I also have a disturbing number of files concerning infected animals.
Dogs, Horses, Pigs, and humans seem to be the primary mammalian victims. It is documented that Lizards, and Frogs are severely affected by this organism and usually die from it. I have one report of an alligator with this disease.
Some species of domestic birds also have been reported to me as infected. Chickens with this infection are reported to lose their feathers and not be able to replace them.
I have personally observed infected house flies that have been totally consumed by the creature leaving nothing but the exoskeleton and a Frankenstien-like collection of Macro-fibers extruding from them in every direction. (The macro-fibers incorporate predictable parameters of shape and form and are one of the primary stages of the organism. They should not to be confused with the white or clear colored nematomorph, [another primary form] or the inert red, blue, black, etc, colored micro-fibers that are produced in such profusion)
-CliffMickelson
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Post by london on Aug 3, 2006 21:29:40 GMT -5
Dear Cliff,
I have some things that I would like to share w/you but I will not do so until I get your permission. I do respect your thoughts on this and will abide by them. But the information I have is exactly on this topic. I will check back here to see if you have responded and also will check my email.
thank you~
London
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Aug 4, 2006 3:04:54 GMT -5
Hi London:
I am on a different computer these days and don't have your email addy any more in my files so I am responding here.
How's things going?
-Cliff
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Post by joyfullee10 on Sept 7, 2006 0:50:07 GMT -5
Please don't be too quick to rule out Collembolla involvement. Not only myself and my indoor cat have Morgellons, but my neigbor's indoor cat also. My cat jumps and scratches and yowls, but showed marked improvement after a flea dip, etc. from the vet. My neighbor's cat has lost most of it's hair and a doctor diagnosed shingles on his waist. His wife shows no signs of Morgellons yet. However, both the vet and my physician's Entomologist studied the glue traps in my home and stated rare as it is, Collembola had swarmed indoors. Perhaps this fungus/bacteria (?) piggybacks on a variety of hosts?
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 17, 2006 17:09:06 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts on this matter of certain bacteria and Morgellons....my husband and I were infected from his wastewater treatment plant in 1993/1994 introduced these genetically modified nematodes with certain bacteria and these were to help clean up the sludge from the wastewater.....it was a prototype of operation all eyes on how WELL things were going meanwhile every coworker and their families and pets are now infected with this disease.....I have heard now of other situations were these nematodes were used for other applications as well.....not just at wastewater treatment plants....for instance for use in extermination applications.....the new and improved no chemicals idea was going to save the world.....well what a horrific mistake.....no wonder we can't get any help...for to get help THEY would have to admit this huge burden of fault....THEY thought -- let the infected blend into the statistics and be done with it.....but this silent epidemic has gone to far for that and infected far more than THEY could imagine.....
So for Morgellons infected to have this bacteria is very possible it may have been put there to serve a purpose with the nematode....
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 17, 2006 20:43:56 GMT -5
If the Government don't do something soon they will have mass hysteria on their hands.
Why debunk something that is real???
We don't care what they call it BUT we all have fibers.
My cat isn't well at the moment either. She was bitten by something under her chin, the vet said another cat, but we are suspicious it could have been a fox, we saw one the other night on the neighbours front garden!!!!
She had a little operation to release the cyst from under her chin, she is now on antibiotics but she doesn't look well and her mood is very very low.
We just look at each other and say "Isn't this just crap"!!!
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Sept 17, 2006 21:49:15 GMT -5
Hi sick and Tired
Your post was very interesting. Can you add any more information concerning what you know or suspect about the waste water treatment and the related sickness that has affected those involved in the vicinity of said treatment plant?
Thanks
Cliff
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Sept 17, 2006 21:51:38 GMT -5
Hi London
Contact me at any time! You are always welcome. Sorry for the delay in responding. I am currently out of the country and email and phone communication are both a bit spotty.
I believe you already have my email addy, correct?
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 18, 2006 12:15:01 GMT -5
Well it didn't take long to connect the dots after reconnecting with my husband's old coworkers......we moved from the area 2 years after intial infection....lets see 1993 we lived near Freeport, Texas one of the cluster areas for this disease.....this particular chemical plant was the prototype for introducing these microbes into the wastewater treatment facility my husband was a mechancial technician and was part of the team that installed and did ongoing maintenance of the digester and equipment necessary for these microbes to live.....there were NO safety procedures in place for the maintenance workers in fact my husband was oiling parts of this blower while the blower was still running holding his breath while standing in this jet stream spraying all over his body (these weren't dangerous!!!)......anyway.....because this was all new the scientists at the wastewater treatment area had the mechanical technicians looking at these genetically modified nematodes and bacteria under their microscopes in fact they used to have compititions to see who could find one first one on a slide.....he said it was like looking for a bass in the pacific ocean.......my husband saw 3 different organisms under these microscopes......one was the genetically modified nematode pinworm looking thing, then one that had pincher looking things on it like a crab, and the other one he saw was just football shape protozoa look.....my husband was getting these sores on his back and he just called them heat bumps and thought they were from working around the chemical plant and crap in the air that sort of thing....but really they were Morgellons lesions and anyway about 6 months into this I became very sick high liver count, sweats, severe back of the head aching so bad I couldn't lift my head off the pillow I had been to several doctors and no ideas so ended up at the Diagnostic Clinic in Houston and they thought oh you have Encephilitis or Menningitis (sorry for spelling) but NO not that anyway they finally just put me into this Hep B category and sent me home for 2 weeks I suffered but eventually recovered (so I thought) and to this day my liver counts have been normal since.....my husband suffered from high liver counts himself but they racked it off to.....well it is your medications causing your liver to sky rocket......took him off certain meds and went through PROSORBA treatments (blood dylalsis) 24 treatments and I think this saved his life for I believe that PROSORBA filtered some of these microbes out of his system because a fellow coworker in 1997 called us from Lake Jackson Hospital and said he was in the hospital and his liver was failing him.....he wasn't as lucky and died......another coworker and his family (wife diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, he has painful joints and Morgellons symptoms, another coworker has painful joints and speech problems, rashes, every coworker from my husbands mechanical technician work are infected. What we have found is this disease can take some time for symptoms to appear and others immediately.....his daughter that started to visit us in Arizona at age 16 did not show any indication of infection for 5 years
we think it is how many of these are in your system and how quickly they reproduce your health condition at the time of infection all relates to when symptoms first appear and some first indicators can be very misleading like high liver counts or unexplained rashes or unexplained pains in your body.....it was 2 years after my high liver count episode that I had my first lesions and since then never been without lesions on my body although the last few years have been unbearable (more and more and more frequently) my health has really deteriorated the last several years....my husband also heard that just one little barrel of these microbes was $10,000 and that the facility manager was always worried about someone killing his microbes.....and I guess Ph was a big concern.....don't mess up the Ph and kill my Bugs he used to say.....
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 23, 2006 10:11:42 GMT -5
Cliff and friends.....
After speaking with one of my husband's coworkers from the wastewater treatment plant last night (he is also sick) this fellow coworker thought he remembered there were 5 or 6 different types of microbes in the barrel of goodies but couldn't remember seeing the others just the ones my husband was able to see under the microscopes......so there might have been nore than just those 3 we tried to describe for you.......sorry we don't have any more info on the other 2 or 3 and what they looked like......I guess this is really useless info.....except for you to know more than 3 microbes were in the batches....
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Sept 23, 2006 11:04:52 GMT -5
Hi Sick and Tired:
Thanks for finding out what you could. I don't personally have any problem with the concept that there are/may be microbes involved in this affliction, (We have already documented some VERY unusual microbial forms) but I feel that there is a high probability that they are secondary players in the general scheme of things. In other words they are part of the effect, but not the cause.
There is a macro parasitic form involved here that tends to escape detection due to the overly obsessive (but natural) tendency of folks to focus on the much more sensational colored micro fibers. "This allows the primary form to generally flaunt itself right before everyone's eyes, yet escape detection.
To use a familiar analogy, everyone is so dazzled by the "fruit" that they fail to see the tree that produces it.
I have addressed this issue in several of my posts on the "articles" page. By the way, an increasing amount of evidence points to the possibility that this "macro" form may effectively "farm" certain types of microbes and actively eradicate others. This may explain one of the more unusual occurrences reported by many patients; ...the fact that secondary bacterial infections in and about the periphery of lei sons are extremely rare despite excessive damage to the skin and the resultant exposure to open sources of normal infection.
-Cliff
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Post by thinker on Sept 23, 2006 11:11:45 GMT -5
I thought for sure I had one of the culprits, but Cliff, I think you're right once again. No matter how many "body" samples I submit, no one can ever find a pathogen - only fiber.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 23, 2006 11:13:34 GMT -5
NO we agree with you 100% the nematode like creature is the major culprit of this disease.....this nematode was also in these batches with these other microbes.....we were just trying to let you know there were probably 5-6 different kinds of microbes in these barrels......
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Post by thinker on Sept 23, 2006 11:16:48 GMT -5
I offer this quote from a captivating story at www.curezone.com/forums/fmp.asp?i=526966. I am wondering if this creature description rings a bell with anyone. So far, it's the only description of any creature that I've found: "I removed two organisms from my feces that I kept alive in a moist container for two weeks. When I put them in, I put them on the bottom. They eventually climbed up the sides. They are shaped like a rounded triangle with a slit in the bottom. The underside looks like the underside of a snail or slug. They have a little “foot” they can extend at one side of their bottom. After two weeks, fine white filaments filled with black specks appeared on them. These filaments then grew into larger white and black filaments with black balls at their end (at 400x). They appear to be fungal so maybe there is a fungus with the parasite. These are the same “fibers” which are coming out of people’s skin."
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 23, 2006 12:23:26 GMT -5
WOW thinker.....good detective work finding this letter from 3 years ago......what on earth is the CDC doing.....how long have they really been warned with no action from them except looking at 50 photos and declaring victory no parasites involved.......you can't say they aren't telling the truth because who could possibly find a parasite looking at photos.......I suggest they get their microscopes out to look for parasites........as the band plays on....
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Sept 23, 2006 12:47:00 GMT -5
Hi Sick and Tired:
Wouldn't it be just dandy if we could somehow get hold of a sample of that "witches" brew, eh?
I would LOVE to to an analysis of something like that!
-Cliff
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Post by skytroll on Sept 23, 2006 16:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cliff Mickelson on Sept 23, 2006 19:15:27 GMT -5
Hi Skytroll!
How ya' been ol' buddy? As always, it's great to hear from you! Will check out the links you provided and let you know what I think!
Thanks!
-Cliff
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Post by aussie on Sept 24, 2006 0:49:11 GMT -5
Dear Sickandtired, Do you think that you might have Cryptosporidium bug in your systems? There aren't many places that don't have it ,and it is especially prevalent in wastewater systems, chlorine doesn't kill it and they're allowing it to be released into the waterways. "Cryptosporidium parvum. Cryptosporidium parvum, a single-celled animal, i.e., a protozoa, is an obligate intracellular parasite. It has been given additional species names when isolated from different hosts. It is currently thought that the form infecting humans is the same species that causes disease in young calves. The forms that infect avian hosts and those that infect mice are not thought capable of infecting humans. Cryptosporidium sp. infects many herd animals (cows, goats, sheep among domesticated animals, and deer and elk among wild animals). The infective stage of the organism, the oocyst is 3 um in diameter or about half the size of a red blood cell. The sporocysts are resistant to most chemical disinfectants, but are susceptible to drying and the ultraviolet portion of sunlight. Some strains appear to be adapted to certain hosts but cross-strain infectivity occurs and may or may not be associated with illness. The species or strain infecting the respiratory system is not currently distinguished from the form infecting the intestines. Infectious dose--Less than 10 organisms and, presumably, one organism can initiate an infection. The mechanism of disease is not known; however, the intracellular stages of the parasite can cause severe tissue alteration." (US FDA/CFSAN - Bad Bug Book). And: Parasites in sewage waste water: www.house.gov/transportation/water/04-13-05/rose.pdf www.house.gov/list/press/mi01_stupak/030305sewagebill.html
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Post by thinker on Sept 24, 2006 9:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 24, 2006 11:12:04 GMT -5
Cliff
It is unfortunate that all the mechanical technicians my husband worked with are all sick....BUT this is interesting news.....
This particular chemical plant left town.......they were making the big bucks from the product they produced and then all of a sudden they hauled their butts out of town....closed shop....the wastewater treatment plant is still there we have been told but not the company........
DID THEY REALIZE this huge error regarding the barrel of fun and all the wastewater treatment employees were getting sick.......and closed shop......don't know for sure.....but not many chemcial plants just close shop like that......they had a huge investment in this plant for it was built for them.....
and as far as the microbes in the barrel of fun......my husband only saw the 3 we tried to describe but there was a handy reference card that came with the creatures and there was at least 5-6 different kinds in this witches brew......
and yes I believe the wastewater treatment plant was supposed to kill off the microbes after they did their jobs of cleaning the sludge and did this by changing the Ph back and forth (my husband didn't do that part) and then released as grey water......safe, safe, safe.......oh really.....I don't see safe anymore I see disease.....and it is my thoughts only that this is part of the culprit that is killing off salt marshes on the east coast this same nematode creature....it certainly makes me wonder....
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Post by aussie on Sept 24, 2006 17:31:24 GMT -5
Oh dear, Thinker.....that is a really amazing site you've found, thanks. Even though it is ghastly in the extreme.....if that's what we're dealing with, noboby's going to around for much longer, are they?
Of course "they" could be trying to turn us into these multiforme creatures who are aquatic, triffidlike and avian, who don't need the textile industry because we can grow our own clothes!
But, to be stoic about it, in the big picture...when it's all over...."they" will be wherever they were meant to go and we'll be in a different reality. Mean to say...that little irritating bit between the shoulderblades.....it's not Morgellons.....indeedy no...it's the golden wings starting to grow!!! Cheers! Hope you are having a nice weekend.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 25, 2006 10:34:12 GMT -5
Dear Aussie, Skytroll and friends
We looked at your websties Skytroll and after so many years and to try and compare what is on the website with what he was looking at under the microscopes at work it is difficult to say....what is what.....these were macroscopic creatures they were looking for on a slide in fun......not really as a learning project....so hard to say for sure what creatures he was looking at.....but did you notice the nematode and the other one that interested me was the filamontious bacteria beside the nematode it sort of looks like some of the pictures from our morgellonsusa web site......very similiar in looks thats for sure....
and Aussie there is not telling what we have in our bodies.....I feel like I have been fighting a virus for 12 years now......and only getting worse not better......thats why I am sick and tired.....slept 12 hours yesterday couldn't do a dam thing....just like the slug Cliff sees under the microscope....I have these lesions all over my head right now and the back of my neck feels like the tag on a shirt that continually poles your neck until you cut the tag off....only I can't do that....the tag is gone long ago...
This is the worst national disaster of all times no wonder "THEY" have tried and tried to cover up this mess....
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 25, 2006 10:46:22 GMT -5
OOPS I forgot to mention....another observation....on the MRF website....on the map that highlights the cases of this disease....notice how the states along the water highlight first (wastewater treatment plants) and then the interior states are the last ones to highlight........except for Arizona which is where we moved after being infected in Texas....so we carried this disease to Arizona and spread it around to previous coworkers in Arizona........good lord help us......we didn't know we had an infectious disease until way to late.......not one doctor in 12 years even mentioned infectious? ? while observing the open lesions on my skin amazing.....also have THEY written in the medical journals this DOP on purpose.......who knows....THEY do
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Post by skytroll on Oct 5, 2006 9:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by selky on Feb 7, 2011 8:23:59 GMT -5
Hello there, I am Selky and new to this website, Only realised that I had this disease or whatever a few days ago! Please bear with me, I have a lot to say and am a bit freaked out at the moment, and to scared to talk to, let alone see family or friends at the moment! Haven't seen my doctor yet, but luckily I am an illustrator with a microscope, and wow! was I terrified by what I thought was trying to get on me and later learned in me. I have collected many specimens and placed them in a jar and frozen them in the freezer including an insect struggling with the same stringy like stuff that is coming off me, I will soon visit my doctor with specimens in jar (and with microscope) and then we can argue. Ill probably pluck some off my skin whilst there, as I can see these things easily from a metre (3feet) away as small as a quarter of a millimeter or fortieth of an inch. I am also a bad biter. Nails that is! so I cant scratch the lumps coming up on me. Cleaned my residence as much as I could, got rid of most of the dust and washed everything in sight and insect spray bombed, went ballistic in 40 plus degrees heat Celsius in Newcastle for the past week, the nights averaged no less than 30 plus degrees C with Saturday nights minimum temp at 36 C, not realizing that my sweat and the heat and me with all the windows shut without a doubt created the perfect hot humid climate those d**ned critters probably thrive in, global wet bulb temperatures of course. Anyway I thought I had a mite infestation as pigeons a few weeks ago moved onto the top level of my residence, Rang the council 3 days ago and their going to remove them. This is all good, however I went to study one of the mites I found bitting me and realized it was nothing like a pigeon mite, I realized that I would have to do my research to find out what this mite was. Thought it could be a dust mite, so looked at google images for dust mites and wallah, saw what I was looking for through the microscope, then read the article, and a few others on morgellons. Was about ready to do a flying leap out my first floor window after reading the alien stuff about nanobots invading earth through morgellons, and that I could be the harbinger of doom for all of Newcastle and beyond. Especially after reading the articles about the medical profession in complete denial of the disease due to conspiratorial cover ups. Anyway I am a newby to all this and I am still alive, and kicking, and very much ignorant about it all. However I am sure all here could tell me some similar initial horror stories they had, and you people have survived, some years, so I am digging in too. I will join the fight from the trenches, regardless of the fact that I don't know which way I am pointed at the moment, nor what weapons to use against them, as I don't have a clue how to fight these beasties, or adapt or whatever. I am going to spend a lot of time in the ocean as it is just up the road from me, and hopefully they wont like the sea salt as much as I do. Maybe the ocean will be to Allen for them I hope! I Surf and free dive all year round without a wet suit, hence selky. And to end my first converse, At least I know albeit a short time how many of you feel, without the losses of wasted time, loss of friendships and even families some of you have probably endured, and am nervous that I could see the same! All the best Selky.
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Post by sarahconnor on Feb 8, 2011 2:40:32 GMT -5
Hi selky welcome aboard, would I be correct in saying you are a fellow Aussie? with you mentioning Newcastle. So sorry the morgs have got to you too, be careful mate with the doctors, all it takes is a phone call & you'll be in the psych. ward. You sound like you're really switched on. Don't be afraid, you're going be ok, we're here for ya mate. Cheers sarah
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Post by amron on Feb 8, 2011 7:29:52 GMT -5
Hi selky, If aren't a micro-biologist, or a MD. or dont have the basics in the human cellular structure like I didn't, my suggestion, is to start there. I dont think I would have been so freaked out with all the various inhabitants of my body.
Yes, some of us have had this thing a long, long time. We have gone from one level to another, always searching out the latest new and horrifying symptom, with every kind of specilist, covering a wide range of illinesses. I would say I mostly matched up with MS, because my symptoms were everywhere. I had three diagnosis of MS, from diferent hospitals. My neuro DR. in Tucson, Az. years ago wondered why I didn't die in the first stages of the disease. When you enter neuro floor in hospital, devastated with double vision, no balance, and behavior like you are drunk. Major head pains, total weakness, quite frankly you cant remember all the stuff that led up to it. I forgot to tell them that I had night sweats, a crazy rash, circular with a dot in the middle. Sinus headaches, out of sight.
To make a long story short I lived in the hot bed area at the time of expermints, in SF area, and was raised swimming in a lake loaded with mercury, from minning and spring fed from a sleeping valcano. Green mould and was a common thing in the Bay Area. Tucson gave ten years of toxic well water.
After I broke out in leisons that didn't heal, and had things like craters around them, them out came the fibers, my nail beds changed, I got ten years older fast and there were strange bugs I was worried about, around me. I decided to check my symptoms with net.... Mind bending! WOW! I fit all the symptoms! Then the weird hair, alive like medusa, I litterly played with the fibers, I was curious what, or how they came out of my finger nails. I still dont know much, but I know Mengale in Germany started the mess, high tech bio warfare. The other fungus specialist was of the same period, Wegener worked in labs all over the world. Invasive pathogens, Aspergilluis, I think niger is the name. California encorporated China's best micro biologist for GMO, many companys had a major ajenda, and it was good money to work on bio-warfare. Now you can see the thicking of the soup. Small wonder they dont have to recognise us at the cdc because there are so many vairables, I believe it is a designer disease too...... You can be sure of one thing, more will be known as the new entidies pop out, Yuck!!!! Bless you, keep coming back. amron
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Post by salance on Jul 15, 2011 4:56:05 GMT -5
Picking up the thread from a few years ago. A south African story.
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Post by bobbyjoe on Oct 13, 2011 12:47:08 GMT -5
Cliff do you think a new petition would be helpful?? heir is one I think might be viable, a Petition not only for Morgellons Disease suffers but including the General public as well, I've been on 5 ProBoards since 2006 it was heart breaking to see new Mothers & Fathers as well as single young people come through the doors of these site's every single day for the past almost 6 year's, my thinking is this, as the C.D.C. does nothing to help those suffering the General Public is at risk, after what I said in the beginning of this post Morgellons is a Public Safety Issue for the simple fact they will become infected some time in the Future if nothing is done, this Petition should include both, an E-Petition for a Comprehensive Study & program to help Morgellons Disease suffers & try to stop the uninfected from being Infected could be drawn up and put at the M.R.F., The Charles Holman Foundation, & at all site's possible, with downloadable factors that would include photo's & information to help Educate The General Public,.. people with Morgellons or not can download this information take a lawn chair & table to say the Local City Hall, Supermarket's & Collage campus's to get signatures & maybe try to get students involved to help this cause. Cliff I sent you a message at one site, screen name Harry, I also tried to befriend you on Facebook as I have a 14 page site known as Bobbyjoe Holliday & still no reply, I am trying to get Major player's in the Morgellons Community to come together for this, will you halp Please. Sincerely: Doc Holliday
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