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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2007 4:57:47 GMT -5
I heard from Dr. Karjoo tonight that Russell of NutraSilver fame had posted a video (without permission) and a statement (untrue) about Dr. Karjoo on MorgellonsHope.com.
Dr. Karjoo is NOT testing all his M's patients with NutraSilver.
At Dr. Karjoo's request all the information Russell had posted with any references to Dr. Karjoo on Morgellonshope.com has been removed.
There is still a Press Release with references to Dr. Karjoo out there, proliferated by the opportunistic Russell, and I presume that will be removed, as well, from PR.com or somesuch.
Just thought you should all know that Dr. Karjoo has not joined the ranks of the 'delusional' in recommending Nutra Silver as a cure for Morgellons.
Blessings to you all! Shoshanna
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Post by maggiemae on Jul 30, 2007 21:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by brandytwirl on Aug 5, 2007 6:31:54 GMT -5
Catchy title, thanks!
Dr. Karjoo meet with me and several others for a video session. He gave permission to post the interview on the Internet and he did so on camera and in front of witnesses. I grow tired of people on this board slamming something they know little about. NutraSilver has new lab reports out know showing that it kills 99.999% of the worst bacteria and fungus known; and this from an FDA-certified lab. Thousands of people have experienced great healing and we continue to get emails and phone calls from people who have "gotten their lives back"
So, if you want to know the facts, just ask, but please stop spreading mis-information. Dr. Matthews has healed himself of Morgellons as has his patients. Dr. Staninger has conducted soft clinical trials using NutraSilver with much success as well. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! ADMIN. -- Dr. Karjoo's patients have brought NutraSilver to him and as you can see if you take the time to watch HIS OWN VIDEO IN HIS OWN WORDS, he has witnessed incredible healing on one of his Morgellons patients who is actually a dental surgeon. He agree to distribute NutraSilver because it would increase his patient load and he would make money on the sale of the product. All of which is fine; it is the reason people are in business; to make money.
The Clinton Foundation is taking NutraSilver to Africa to save millions of lives. What scientific facts do they have that are not here on this board? Find out for yourselves. If you really want to know the truth, take the product and get healed, perhaps your own experience will convince you?
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Post by gracebeours on Aug 5, 2007 8:14:38 GMT -5
I have heard that some of the people taking nutrasilver have developed kidney stones/problems. Brandytwirl, could you check that out with Dr. Karjoo? Thank you in advance.
Also, has Dr. Karjoo or anyone else conducting trials published the findings of results of Nutrasilver? When you are ill and hear different things, it is helpful if there is something formal published on anyone who can demonstrate positive results.
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Post by Admin on Aug 6, 2007 19:56:49 GMT -5
YOU WROTE: "Dr. Karjoo meet with me and several others for a video session. He gave permission to post the interview on the Internet and he did so on camera and in front of witnesses. I grow tired of people on this board slamming something they know little about."
My only question: WHY did MoregellonsHope TAKE THE VIDEO DOWN if it was just fine and dandy with Dr. Karjoo?
YOU WROTE: "NutraSilver has new lab reports out know showing that it kills 99.999% of the worst bacteria and fungus known; and this from an FDA-certified lab."
Setting the facts straight: It appears that Beneficial Solutions ordered the FDA Certified Lab testing for the following FOUR Bacteria - NO FUNGUS- NO VIRUS:
Escherichia coli (IPA: (E. coli), is one of many species of bacteria living in the lower intestines of mammals, known as gut flora. When located in the large intestine, it actually assists with waste processing, vitamin K production, and food absorption.
Pseudomonas aeruginosa is a Gram-negative, aerobic, rod-shaped bacterium with unipolar motility.[1] An opportunistic human pathogen, P. aeruginosa is also an opportunistic pathogen of plants....
Shigella are Gram-negative, nonmotile, nonsporeforming rod-shaped bacteria. ...
Salmonella is a Gram-negative facultative rod-shaped bacterium in the same proteobacterial family as Escherichia coli
YOU WROTE: "Thousands of people have experienced great healing and we continue to get emails and phone calls from people who have gotten their lives back."
It is apparent that you have not read about nor heard from the MANY who either became extremely ill or received NO HELP AT ALL from Nutra Silver.
YOU WROTE: " So, if you want to know the facts, just ask, but please stop spreading mis-information. Dr. Matthews has healed himself of Morgellons as has his patients. Dr. Staninger has conducted soft clinical trials using NutraSilver with much success as well."
I suggest, Connie, that you request to see Dr. Staninger's Report to Beneficial Solutions. She DID NOT "have much" success. I do not have permission to post her entire report, as it appears to be the property of Beneficial Solutions.
SHE DOES NOT RECOMMEND using NutraSilver until there is TOXICITY testing done, WITH NUTRASILVER IN THE HUMAN BODY and she has repeatedly said these tests need to be done. No one has done those tests, I am certain, or they would be 'out there' in an international Press Release OR the results were not what BENEFICIAL would have liked to see and he is therefore not published. Beneficial has not chosen to release Dr. Hildy's report to the public. I would presume, if you have "thousands" who have been healed with NutraSilver, there should be ample funds to do the toxicological testing Dr. Hildy has suggested. Actually, I suggested this on the board and personally to Russell almost a year ago.
From what I am told, for any product to claim to kill a bacteria, fungus or virus it must be registered with the EPA as an anti-microbial (microbicide) and when you look at the EPA registered products, NutraSilver does not seem to be in their registry. <No documents were found for NutraSilver - This query was conducted against the entire EPA collection.>
So, if you want to know the facts, just ask, but please stop spreading mis-information.[/color]
GO TO PART 2....next post
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Post by Admin on Aug 6, 2007 20:53:15 GMT -5
YOU WROTE: "Dr. Karjoo's patients have brought NutraSilver to him and as you can see if you take the time to watch HIS OWN VIDEO IN HIS OWN WORDS, he has witnessed incredible healing on ONE of his Morgellons patients who is actually a dental surgeon. He agree to distribute NutraSilver because it would increase his patient load and he would make money on the sale of the product. All of which is fine; it is the reason people are in business; to make money." FROM THE WEBSITE WHERE THE VIDEO WAS POSTED: "Please be advised the www.MorgellonsHope.com does not endorse any product or device, nor do we sell any products. This site is not associated with any manufacturer(s), distributors(s) or agents. Our independence is absolute! www.morgellonshope.com/content/blogsection/2/ "
If the above is true, why would Beneficial Solutions put Dr. Karjoo's video on the MorgellonsHope site and post an International Press Release saying Dr. Karjoo is doing clinical testing with his patients with NutraSilver? MorgellonsHope could not have been the organization making the video because they have nothing to do with any 'product or device, ...are not associated with any manufacturer(s), distributors(s) or agents....etc.'.============================= YOU WROTE: "The Clinton Foundation is taking NutraSilver to Africa to save millions of lives. What scientific facts do they have that are not here on this board? " THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS ARE GREAT - FOR CLEARING WATER of bacteria IN A BEAKER IN A LAB OR IN A BARREL IN THE WILDERNESS - There is no scientific study published saying that this product IS or IS NOT toxic or otherwise harmful OR HELPFUL to the human body.============================== YOU WROTE: "Find out for yourselves. If you really want to know the truth, take the product and get healed, perhaps your own experience will convince you?" Connie, I do not have Morgellons - I am working with Dr. Hildy (for FREE - no compensation) for over a year, and with Cliff for six months longer than that, to get the word out to the public and the media about Morgellons. I also assist Dr. Hildy with her research and Morgellons victim advocacy. She has seen victim after victim in her FAR INFRARED CENTER - Those who see her on a regular basis are getting their bodies and their lives back.
NOT ONE PERSON out of the several hundered with whom I have communicated has said, "NutraSilver healed me."
Bring us the scientific studies saying that this product is safe for human consumption - non-toxic and causes no harm to the kidneys or liver or other organs AND proof that it does not work with the nano in the body to make things worse on the inside.......(See next post). Shoshanna Admin PS - We could not be in this conversation if it were not that YOU have found a solution to symptoms you have diagnosed as Morgellons.......I, personally, am glad for you.....and hope that your health continues to improve. After all, that's what we're doing here! It is unfortunate that this has not worked out for everyone, as we would then be on to other things....and have this case cracked.
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Post by Admin on Aug 6, 2007 21:35:49 GMT -5
Silver amplified gold nanoparticles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15128107&ordinalpos=1&itool=Entre zSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus(CLICK on the URL above OR copy and paste the entire blue URL into your browser) 1: Biosens Bioelectron. 2004 Mar 15;19(8):875-83. Links Gold nanoparticle-based detection of genomic DNA targets on microarrays using a novel optical detection system. Storhoff JJ, Marla SS, Bao P, Hagenow S, Mehta H, Lucas A, Garimella V, Patno T, Buckingham W, Cork W, Müller UR. Nanosphere, Inc., Applied Research, 4088 Commercial Ave., Northbrook, IL 60062, USA. jstorhoff@nanosphere.us The development of a nanoparticle-based detection methodology for sensitive and specific DNA-based diagnostic applications is described. The technology utilizes gold nanoparticles derivatized with thiol modified oligonucleotides that are designed to bind complementary DNA targets. A glass surface with arrays of immobilized oligonucleotide capture sequences is used to capture DNA targets, which are then detected via hybridization to the gold nanoparticle probes. Amplification with silver allows for detection and quantitation by measuring evanescent wave induced light scatter with low-cost optical detection systems. Compared to Cy3-based fluorescence, Silver amplified gold nanoparticles probes provide for a approximately 1000-fold increase in sensitivity. Furthermore, direct detection of non-amplified genomic DNA from infectious agents is afforded through increased specificity and even identification of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP) in human genomic DNA appears feasible. PMID: 15128107 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Post by david on Dec 2, 2007 17:00:52 GMT -5
I presume NutraSilver is a brand name for Colloidal Silver?
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Post by david on Jan 22, 2008 21:08:58 GMT -5
I presume NutraSilver is a brand name for Colloidal Silver? Anyone home?? Has Hildy or Shoshanna said what they think of colloidal silver as a possible helper/remedy?? Both of you have my email if you want to send me a line off-list. Thx. davID
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Post by praying4usall on Jan 23, 2008 6:37:25 GMT -5
Dr Hildy doesn't support using Nutra Silver. I just found a link on Lymebustsers though that an herbalist and his wife have shared a list of herbs that helped them and another person, and their pets to get a lot better from M's & Lyme. I'll have to check it out real close, because I also have hep c, and some herbs can be deadly if you have that, even though they are wonderful to cleanse a healthy liver. Here's the link. You can go read it. There are 2 places where the guy lists the herbs, and one has even the right measurements & such to use what they made. He is the JWF with the little running dog by his name, and the list start about half way down the page! Good Luck! lymebusters.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1122935471&page=5
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Post by david on Jan 24, 2008 9:13:41 GMT -5
Thanks for this - I wonder what the deal is with Colloidal silver then - given there are ppl who claim it work for morgs.??
Will check link.
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Post by praying4usall on Jan 24, 2008 15:22:47 GMT -5
I really don't know that much about Nutra Silver, only that I was told Dr. Staninger doesn't support the use of it. I have heard it has had ill effects on some, and that it isn't that good for your body...but that is what I have heard. I don't personally know much of anything about it, and can't even remember what I have read on it. I have hep C, as well as the M's, so I can't try things others have due to the possibility of liver failure.
I try to keep an open mind when it comes to ways of helping at the very least keep this stuff under control as much as possible, but I try to be careful about what I say to try or do, as I know some are so desperate they will try or do just about anything, even if it might harm them.
I for one would hope to get and keep my health and immune system as healthy as possible, and if there were a medication that proved it helped others that was safe enough for me to take, I would do so. Even if it couldn't cure this, if there were something that could help, I would do it. The problem is, I can't even find a Dr. who believes there is anything real wrong, even though I have plenty to show them They just didn't want to even look or test or take a sample of anything.
If you don't have this condition, you really have no idea of how much people want to try to see if something helps them. You may believe them, and may agree something is very wrong, but unless it is you, or directly affects your home & family, and you have to watch a loved one suffer right in the life you live, you still can not really understand how much people want to try anything that will 'make it go away' if even just partially.
And, why it is the Fungal Soap works on the skin, when used with the professional formula of anti bacterial cleanser, to remove the tiny white larva looking things from the skin, yet an anti fungal medication wouldn't work as an internal way to fight this crud???
Believe me, I have a few questions myself. And there are some things that just don't seem to add up. I do not think for a minute that any one person has all the answers about this condition, and would love to see those who are researching it all come together for comparing notes & tests results, and allow the synergy of their combined knowledge and research to possibly bring forth some answers they have yet to find....for OUR SAKE, as well as the sake of our Families! I have Grandchildren who have some of the symptoms of this condition!!! They are ONLY 2 years old, and his baby Brother will be 1 year old next month!
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2008 1:44:00 GMT -5
MORPH....
I have deleted your post about using massive amounts of Nutra Silver.
OUr information tells us that after a short period of time - not a few - but many have kidney problems.
AND when you stop the NS everything goes back to where it was with the M's symptoms EXCEPT your liver and kidneys which are now working to remove the silver from your body.
I do not want to get into a debate here - Please check back after a month or two (if you take it that long) and tell us what is going on with you...... Send the information to me in a personal message (top of the page - Click on Messages - OR click on Admin at the left of the post here and it will take you to a screen which says 'Send Personal Message'....
We do NOT - I repeat - do not recommend Nutra Silver OR any other metals be ingested....We are not doctors, we are not toxicologists nor licensed to 'recommend' anything invasive.
Hope this explains our position on NS.....and if it works for you - great........we need LONG TERM evidence that it helps and DOES NOT harm....
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