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Post by Admin on Jul 7, 2010 12:43:50 GMT -5
Haven't received the exact time yet but would be somewhere between the hours of 8:00 and 10:00.
Jan Smith and Cliff Michelson with Morgellons updates--
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Post by awake on Jul 8, 2010 8:29:29 GMT -5
Thanks admin. I am always intrigued about what Jan and Cliff have to say.
awake
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Post by Admin on Jul 8, 2010 13:55:04 GMT -5
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Post by sarahconnor on Jul 8, 2010 21:34:22 GMT -5
I actually listened to the show twice, there was so much to take in...excellent!
Jan & Cliff, you're amazing, thank you for your continued hard work & dedication on behalf of all afflicted.
Jeff Rense, thank you for being a genuine human being. Your support to the Morgellons Community leaves me speech less.
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Post by sunnydaze on Jul 9, 2010 11:14:51 GMT -5
Just listened to the program. It seems they are saying things, but not saying them openly. One of these is that it would appear that they may be trying to discredit Dr. Staninger. I can't remember the exact words, but it was something about people exploiting Morgellons claiming cures, but there is nothing that will fix this. I hope they were talking about that d**ned Nutrisilver, though. Despite clearly embracing the nanotechnology explanation, Dr. Staninger is never mentioned as a major contributor to this work. They also complain about the "factions" within the Morgellons community.....and I certainly agree with that. Any group that is investigating this, and may have discovered some "piece" needs to be humble enough to realize that the big picture is enormously more complex than that little piece. And what goes with that realization they need to acknowledge and consider other positions. For example, I listened to the 2010 conferfence dvd - specifically Dr. Wymore's contributions. I can't summarize all of it, but basically he & his crew did extensive work checking for dna of the usual suspects (mites, etc) and found nothing. They also looked for differences among Morgellons victims & "normals" in terms of different pathogens on the skin & in mouth swabs. Again, no differences. In conclusion, they are finding nothing of significance. Why aren't they willing to consider Dr. Staninger's point of view in light of these revelations? Enough from me.
Sunnydaze
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Post by theresaden on Jul 9, 2010 12:01:43 GMT -5
Cliff said "the RNA and DNA will not bind to chemicals stains" and suggested that the organization(s) further pursue this avenue. No particular one organization or researcher was named during the entire show. It was the first show that Jeff Rense did not ask Cliff about Dr. Wymore's research. Often, what was not said could be a clue. Where did Cliff obtain this information?
I highly doubt they were trying to discredit Dr. Stanniger because I heard this comment: "Some were representing their ego's and had scrambled mental processes who do have the ability to speak and convince people of things and the saddest aspect is that most if not all actually have morgellons"
Thankfully, that doesn't sound like Dr. Stanniger. Her treatments are cleansing and natural methods. Unlike those making big bucks on high cost appointments and pharmaceutical treatments.
I can think of one person in particular who has morgellons and an ego problem who manipulates with the ability to speak and convince people along with the scrambled mental processes.
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Post by morph on Jul 9, 2010 18:25:27 GMT -5
Gotta take dem dare ego and throw dem away, get back to da devil ego.
You know it sounds like part of the MDR fight, hmmmm, best left back where it was, and like it was, dead.
Nobody here has taken a stance against Staninger.
I am in fact glad that there are people that talk well of one that is treating this.
The simple fact of the matter is this, she gives hope to these people. I spent alot of money on doctors that gave me NOTHING but a worse condition and no hope.
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Post by sunnydaze on Jul 9, 2010 20:16:06 GMT -5
thereaden - I can't imagine who they are talking about, either. The only ones I know of who are involved with selling anything (and have Morgellons) are rather lucid. Two are women who have their own websites not related to Staninger, and then there is one selling her products. All of these ladies seem to be "together" (they have different perspectives & sell different things; I have spoken to the first two).
Morph - No, no one here bashes Staninger, and no one was directly bashed (by name) in that interview. But I know that Staninger worked with Jan in the beginning - it was her fibers that were sent to MIT for analysis. It just seems that acknowledgement of her contributions would have been made. And the part about "no one has a cure". Well, no one does, but many have recovered using different methods. I think that should be said.
Bessie
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Post by sarahconnor on Jul 10, 2010 7:10:45 GMT -5
Cliff's initial comments have left me wondering. He said: We've been in a holding pattern. I was hoping for a non bumpy landing....we're not going to be putting this plane down for some time.
What also got me thinking was Jeff talking about the rip off people & con artists, who are literally preaching to people about cures for Morgellons...when THEY themselves are DELUSIONAL in the sense - they are dead wrong - saying they can cure Morgellons.
I read something recently, which unfortunately I don't have access to right now. Basically it was a write up about Joni Mitchell suffering Morgellons for 20yrs. Morgellons is a disease of unknown origin & there is no cure. Then further down the page was a write up about Dr Staninger, claiming she could cure Morgellons.
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Post by amron on Jul 10, 2010 12:00:11 GMT -5
Cliff's comments seem to have an ajenda, perhalps he is concerned with the suffers belief, and then having their bubble popped, in the harsch reality of no cure. They were leaning heavy on the Alien involvement. Which we hope is not so. Reality strikes, this is a no brainer the tech. is eons ahead of earths scientist. We've been working on aid's for 30 yrs. or so, and still haven't got a definative cure. Without the electron microscope, we wouldn't know a whole heck of alot about morgies. I hope against hope, but how ever you cut it, CDC wont belly up to the bar and hang themselves out on the limb. Gov. is unbelievable now, and has a nose longer than Penochios, the odds are stacked against true confessions. Too Good to be true senerio.
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Post by morph on Jul 10, 2010 13:21:21 GMT -5
with the advent of more and more crazy sounding ideas it should be quite easy to lock away people so they do not harm themselves.
Has anyone other than I french kissed a alien, after the fact she had to go back to Mexico.
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Post by amron on Jul 10, 2010 22:16:29 GMT -5
The forked tongue is the carrier you've been had morph!
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Post by morph on Jul 11, 2010 12:27:41 GMT -5
me say forked tongue good can kiss two girl at once.
I do not know if any of you can imagine this, here you are doing a great job explaining your plight to a crowd of people, finally, finally they believe me, then out of all your great wisdom you yell out, and there are Aliens involved also, lol, what do you think the crowd you had crying for you would imagine now, come on, tell me, just answer that one simple question.
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Post by amron on Jul 11, 2010 19:32:59 GMT -5
Morph Please....stay outside your own box, your too smart to be caught up in others opinions. Everyone with morgies will occasionaly fall on their own sword, its ok dedicated person. We thank you so much for your expertise. You gave me pratical hope, from your experiences, and I utalized them, they worked. Keep up your grand sence of humor....
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Post by morph on Jul 11, 2010 21:28:17 GMT -5
I love humor, I do get a tad out of this world when the Aliens are metioned, This because WE want to be take seriously.
If new people come here they see what, WAR Of The Worlds. can't let them run away from any site that may give them some help.
I am glad I could help you in whatever small manner.
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Post by downunder on Jul 17, 2010 10:37:33 GMT -5
Hi there Morph - glad to see you are still on this "earth" - yep I don't buy the alien twist either - never have.
Anyway - yes I'm still alive - still doing the same things with regard to this darn problem - but definitely not getting any worse - no tumours, no itching, biting etc but just can't eliminate the darn thing completely. If I compared where I am with this now to where I was when coming on this board - gosh can't even remember when that was - anyway - have to say there is absolutely NO COMPARISON - it's just a darn nuisance needing daily attention but glad to say, I no longer need the HOURS spent previously with my attack on the blighters.
I am still working and FULL TIME - have more energy than most of my co-workers so none of it makes any sense.
What I can't believe is coming back here nothing has changed on the research side no matter who it is - no advances etc - everything is just the same talk as it was - what 2-3years ago. I'm resigned to the fact that I'm more than likely STUCK with it but then so are people with other problems e.g. asthma etc etc so just have to DEAL WITH IT and move on. Maybe ONE DAY we will hear of a recognised discovery and a means to deal with it - til then I won't hold my breath - life's too short and will just keep on keeping on.
Good wishes to you all. Cheers Downunder
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