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Post by favraz on Jun 5, 2009 0:05:13 GMT -5
How are others dealing with the contagion element of the morgs? The idea of passing this on to anyone is more than I can handle, and the only thing I know to do is to remain isolated-I just don't know what else to do...I was invaded in March, '05, I realized that I was contagious in Sept.,'05, and I began isolating myself...I placed myself under voluntary quarantine in the spring of 2006, and have been since then. This means that I go to dr appointments only, and I am the last appointment of the day. I am trying to be responsible about this-I know that it is hard enough just knowing that I have infected 5 people, and at least a dozen dogs, and one parrot, and the next 40 people that the ones I infected had the potential of passing the morgs onto, and I can only hope that most (preferably all) were healthy enough to be able to fight these things off. I am basing that number on what my physical therapist of many years had told me about contagion related to colds and flu. As she put it, when she came to my house, she was bringing along the last 40 people she had been in contact with in the last 24 hours, and there could be more... Part of me says that it might be best to expose them to the morgs and get it over with-but the other part of me says that the only creature I would willingly expose to this would be the devil or some other evil spirit...
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Post by greggo on Jun 5, 2009 23:44:21 GMT -5
Don't panic I have good mate who lives with me for many years please don't worry he does not have it I believe it is from animal to humans go out enjoy your life. I think I got it from my ugly cat I have not shared a bed with any one for years my ex left me because of Morgellons so I cant say anything about your partner got or will get it but no Friend of famil of mine has it I know its a challenge but get out enjoy yourself I isolated myself for some time but I got over my fear of going out my dermatologist wasn't afraid to touch me then he diagnosed with Morgellons
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Post by awake on Jun 6, 2009 8:47:59 GMT -5
The contagion of this is from the way i see it unavoidable. I'm the only one in my family who is showing visible sympotms. I know others around me have it becuase they show other signs. They just don't have it as bad as i do. I believe if someone is going to get it that they wll definitely come down with it. It does not spead like a normal infection, but can infest one person and avoid the rest of the family.
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Post by greggo on Jun 6, 2009 17:47:01 GMT -5
Hi Greggo here I think its the animals are the carriers of this disease human to human is less likely to happen no person around me has got from me but it killed my cat its your pets you should keep away from others.
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Post by figureight on Jun 6, 2009 20:25:38 GMT -5
Don't panic I have good mate who lives with me for many years please don't worry he does not have it I believe it is from animal to humans go out enjoy your life. I think I got it from my ugly cat I have not shared a bed with any one for years my ex left me because of Morgellons so I cant say anything about your partner got or will get it but no Friend of famil of mine has it I know its a challenge but get out enjoy yourself I isolated myself for some time but I got over my fear of going out my dermatologist wasn't afraid to touch me then he diagnosed with Morgellons I have morgs. I work with animals and have for 15 years or so. I have a family. what's my point? I do not believe I'm infecting my clients or my family. nobody shows any signs. do yourself a favor, get up and get out of the house. It does nobody any good for you to stop living. treat your symptoms as just that. symptoms. then go on. breathe.....sometimes sick is a state of mind. I mean that from the purest place in my heart. the only cure for whatever this is, is to get over it and go on.
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Post by morph2 on Jun 7, 2009 13:54:28 GMT -5
Sometimes there are different variations of this condition from what I've been told--
the lacking in compassion from some is difficult to understand.
It's so easy to judge---
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Post by greggo on Jun 7, 2009 17:56:22 GMT -5
Hi Its Greggo again I have Another thing to say about How contagious Morgellons If it is so contagious all the medical doctors and psychologists would be overwhelmed with people suffering with all around the world so this disease would be in Mims the doctors book of reference but its not so we have had this disease for years not many doctors will not say after some easy tests you have morgellons its just not a big enough problem to deal with so any way my house mate has lived in the same place for years he uses my sunglasses and wears my clothes he has no sign of morgellons I do all the food handling cooking washing our clothing in the one load together so its just not going to infect everyone you have contact with.
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 7, 2009 18:32:15 GMT -5
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Post by greggo on Jun 7, 2009 20:42:54 GMT -5
Thank you Crystalriver I have tried to get some agar to try to grow morgellons but in Australia its illegal to obtain agar because of biological danger you must be a certified bio technician I have a biological microscope and cant grow morgellons soon I am having a tooth pulled I also have a book on Medical Microbiology I'm going to try to find a substitute thanks for your research on the web site www.carnicon.com/culture4.htm
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Post by figureight on Jun 7, 2009 23:44:24 GMT -5
Sometimes there are different variations of this condition from what I've been told-- the lacking in compassion from some is difficult to understand. It's so easy to judge--- if you are referring to my post please do not misunderstand. I lack many things, compassion is not one of them. When you get sick, from anything, a cold, cancer, aids or what have you.....if you play into the fear of the sickness it makes it worse. If you believe yourself to be weak and scared, you will be...and If you believe you are strong, you will be.....in time. Morgellons is no exception. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, and in our case all I'm trying to say is take back your strength and use it. There are many variations of the symptoms we all have. some are annoying and some are down right painful, and all of it is effing terrifing. Rising above the fear is your best antidote, just my opinion though. from that starting point, once you get a handle on the fear, you will learn how strong you are, and how beautiful your soul is. I think it took morgellons for me to appreciate life. every second of it. so please, don't misunderstand my post. I have compassion, yes, very much I do.....
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 8, 2009 8:31:57 GMT -5
Hi Greggo--you are very welcome and good luck with the research you are able to do; perhaps you will find a whole new line of interest.
Hi figureight--You are correct in saying fear exaserbates the situation; yet it is good to remember that there is a point where the folks that have Morgellons could be having the part of the brain that says "be afraid" hit by some sort of electrical charge.
Could it be that this needs to be done so that these folks learn to deal with that emotion so that they can than move past it? Could it be that in each case the scenario is very personal and that "the person" will move beyond this when they have mastered this area?
Fear will make one ill--agreed!!! Yet it is not mine to say beyond this--I might suggest that doing activities that do not bring forth fear in the mind and focus more on the lighter things--love, laughter and joy may help to bring one through this part of Morgellons quicker. Yet, it is Morgellons that strikes this fear center and each person will move through it in their "OWN" time.
Morph 2 will have to say how they felt about this as well--I can't speak for others--I was only replying to the fear aspect and what I have seen----doesn't mean I've seen everything.
Many Blessings, CrystalRiver
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Post by morph2 on Jun 8, 2009 10:25:19 GMT -5
Crystal--needs to be done?
Figureight--overit--wasn't that number 666?
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 8, 2009 15:16:27 GMT -5
Hi Morph 2,
I'm just taking a wild guess that is it--needs to be done as per the perspective of those who have put this upon us--their perspective not mine.
CR
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Post by favraz on Jun 8, 2009 17:22:20 GMT -5
Thank you for your input, and I am looking forward to more...I knew that this would help.
I am admittedly computer inept, and I don't want to break any rules-especially the ones that I don't know about. So, how long a response is too long? I didn't want to waste my precious time in isloation, so I have been using it to learn as much as I can with what I have-my friends, my puppies, and me. I sent all that I had written to my cousin, and she informed me that it was between 35-40 pages! That pleased me very much, until I realized that it was 2+ years of effort...before morgs I would have produced that much in a month or two. My goal is to set up a site so that I don't waste precious space on a site that isn't mine-but I have to learn how! My partner of 22 years is working on this for me-I have managed to lose this board twice before he "marked" it for me! ( I've had to learn how to type with half of each hand, which was and still is SLOW! but I'm getting the hang of it...)
For those of you who want to make an agar, a good basic one is made of gelatine (plain), white or clear corn syrup, and distilled water. follow packet directions except use half the water amount which includes the corn syrup and pour into clear containers. These, and anything else that you use, MUST be as close to sterile as you can manage, including you-drape area with paper towells from a new roll, use one container that you plan to use to pour for boiling the water, add corn syrup from bottle, mix, and add gel. Use a new plastic spoon to stir, ( I use a microwave oven to boil the water) and, once poured, cover quickly to avoid airbourne contamination-you might want to leave one open just to see what happens. Just be sure that the container can be sealed, but it doesn't have to be completely air tight (morgs need O2), then chill until set. I pour no more than one half inch of mixture into each container- pour carefully into each container- try to avoid making foam or bubbles when mixing or pouring although this makes little or no difference-just remember that this type of agar starts to set up quickly, but feel free to experiment with all of the proportions until you get one that you like. Granulated sugar will work, but the syrup is easier to work with and does not have to be dissolved, and has fewer contaminating elements. Flavored instant gelatine will also work-add one quarter of water that is usually used, and pick a very pale color, such as lemon.
REMEMBER that you are in the best position to do this...morgs seem to be breaking the rules, and since we don't know any of the rules (or fairly few), we are free from the constraints that are built into education...the main thing is to be consistant in what you do, be able to repeat your results and keep some kind of record... and, most importantly, remember that these are all experiments...no matter what happens, you will learn something...
Thank you again-it is so nice not to feel so alone!
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Post by greggo on Jun 8, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5
Thank you Favraz I was thinking along the same approach for the way to make agar by using the seaweed extract agar agar and blending it with sugar and vitamins and minerals maybe controlling temperature I'm going to try some simple stuff like bacteria or maybe even some sort of yeast any way thanks again for your input I am going to make this experiment a bit of fun so much to learn I am on a disability pension thanks to a hi speed motorcycle accident so I have time to play with research my new hobby.
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 9, 2009 8:46:56 GMT -5
Hey Favraz,
I'm not brilliant on the computer either--far from it; yet it has helped research this condition.
We just do our best here; that's it --
I'm posting about something new coming from the chemtrails; it is a big warning on what to do for yourself.
Many Blessings, CrystalRiver
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Post by favraz on Jun 10, 2009 3:47:02 GMT -5
Greggo- My 'puter had a hiccup read plastic spoon instead of thingy- if you are concerned about legal, try using single wrapped cheese slices-I learned this from one of my foster kid's science teachers, and used this method before I started making agar. In the US it's called "american" and the best to use is the cheapest! Unwrap carefully, you'll be rewrapping each slice once you have placed what you want to grow on it-I usually "planted" ( or innoculated) 4 samples on a slice. I then recovered loosely the plastic covering and placed it in a container. They still need to breathe, and the best temperature range is skin temp-81-85 deg F. I usually find growth in 1-3 days. They will keep growing iuntil the cheese dries up...be careful about breathing the spores-re-infection is easy, so a clear container really helps.
As for fear from the rest of the population, I have been trying to salvage my real world life. I have several people of the business type who have been quite determined that I meet with them "face to face", which I just can not bring myself (and my morgs) to do. I finally decided that I would meet with them IF they would sign a waiver that said that I had informed them of morgs, and that if they became infected that they would not be able to sue me. I stated in the waiver that this was an informal document that all would agree to hold up in any court of law, or mediation. It's been 6 months now, and I haven't had a single "taker"! Perhaps fear is just a matter of a cold bucket of reality after all...( I also am no longer being pressured to meet face to face-phone conferences appear to be just fine, now!)
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Post by favraz on Jun 10, 2009 3:58:42 GMT -5
My 'puter seems to be morged-the spoon is meant to name the utensil that one stirs tea with-maybe it'll work this time-this is my first solo in posting a message...my partner suggested that I warn others...
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 10, 2009 11:22:00 GMT -5
Hi favraz,
The word you are attempting to type is a word that used to be used in reference to a negative sexual act. It is very frustrating--I had to go look it up several years ago when it kept coming through the computer as thingy.
It isn't you or your computer--this board just sees it as a "bad" word.
CR
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Post by greggo on Jun 10, 2009 17:39:16 GMT -5
Favraz Thank you for the good idea it makes allot of sense I am trying a few different ideas we call the cheese wrapped in plastic pealy cheese we Aussies are a bit odd anyway I'm not to worried about reinfection I'm coved with lumps n bumps n lesions at the moment I'm going through a flair up but i don't let any of my house mates any where near my hobby
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Post by favraz on Jun 11, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
CR-thanks for the info-from now on I will refer to that utinsel as a cps. I have a hand held 'scopes ince I am unable to sit at a desk or a table, so my lap is my lab, my desk, and just about everything else... At any rate, I use cps's to photo examples-for me it's the best way that I've found to work around a limitation. It also lets me mess around with backlighting and different colors. Easier than staining slides...
Greggo-once you have some successful cultures, you might want to try adding some rubbing alcohol to your agar. This will slow down some of the faster growers, such as candidas fungi-it'll leave more growing space for the slower types. Candida starts out looking like little balls of white fluffy stuff and grows into a mound that resembles a dandilion gone to seed before it is blown away. When I get the mixture right, a lot of those will hatch a critter that uses the candida to make a cocoon. I have gotten a few of these to hatch, but I have no idea of what they are called. They drown easily at this stage. This is one of of the half dozen types of critters that I have found so far that are not fungi. I think that the morgs "collect" whatever the host comes into contact with as they /we go about the business of everyday living. I also think that every new exposure creates a new group of critters with a new cycle, which adds up to another flare-up...a convoluted way of cautioning you about protecting yourself when examining what you are growing. I found that out after I was exposed to a fungi that affects juniper trees and apple trees...it doesn't harm the junipers other than creating ugly orange scabs, but it wreaks havoc with the apple trees. I coughed up red/orange blobs for the next 8 months. I then foolishly repeated the exposure a year later, and I just finished coughing up the same things again-for about the same time period. I am not willing to try this again just to prove a point, but I expect that the results would be the same. I know that the morgs are quite fond of my lungs, and I have had several variations of this with different critters. I've even had the dubious privilege of coughing up a couple of live beetles. Thus, my words of caution...I know I am exposed to plenty of morgs and critters-and I see no reason to invite others that I can avoid...of course, it is your choice, and I can only speak from my limited experience.
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Post by crystalriver on Jun 11, 2009 18:14:51 GMT -5
Hi favraz--I appreciate anything anyone can do--no matter degrees or not--
Remember the show Lorenso's Oil--if you don't google it--it was common folk that found a cure for their child.
If we don't put forth effort nothing will happen, if we run to hide in fear--people won't know the danger for them--it really amounts to a strength beyond what you ever thought you could have--this thing called Morgellons pushes you to the very limit of your soul.
Who will stand up and be counted and who will hide in the shadows?
Many Blessings, CrystalRiver
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Post by favraz on Jun 19, 2009 14:56:46 GMT -5
CR- I agree-we must make a persistant noise if we are to be heard. I'm sure that you are famiiliar with the Quorum Series theory-it has been around for quite awhile, and is usually used in reference to microbes. I believe that when nature finds a successful method, it repeats the process. Since size is a relative thing, we can probably be considered microbes in the universal context, I feel safe in using it. It seems to me that locusts use this method to collectively decide to swarm, fire has its flashpoint, the squeaky wheel gets attention, well, you get the idea. I believe that we are now squeaky enough to get the attention that we so desperately need. One of the problems that we have is that we rarely see the same medics. I live in south central montana, and only know of two others-one from my MD who diagnosed me, and one other that I found online and have not ever spoken to...far too few to get the quorum series to work. What I believe must happen is that those with morgs need to go to the same medic in a short period of time. Dp is considered to be rare, and most medics probably expect to see no more than 1 or 2 during their career. If they see many more of those with morgs, it will get their attention, and they will have to reconsider their diagnoses. Statistics are used against us-IF we all see different medics, they will consider it par for the course...if, however, that medic sees 10 in a 6 weeks, that medic will have to do one of two things: either they will readjust their thinking of what's wrong, or they will hide in their cloak of denial, and try to prove mass hallucination-which will be rather difficult to do, since the morgs are probably the only thing that many will have in common. Contagion will be difficult to prove among those with morgs, since I am certain that morgs can't be contracted just by being online. This has started, now it must be continued on every front that can be found. I think that fear of contagion is one of many ways that the general population can be made aware-my waiver approach proves that there is fear on both sides-our fear of giving it to others, and their fear of getting it. It just needs to be presented to them in a way that they can understand. I also believe that the quorum system is one of the reasons that some don't show symptoms immediately in many people and flora and fauna-some can fight it off for longer periods of time, according to the state of their immune system. I'd really appreciate your thoughts (and the thoughts of other readers) about this. The internet allow the quorum series to function, since awareness of others is required, and a certain number of creatures (or microbes or locusts, or people) to allow for the next stage of action or reaction to occur.
In other words-if enough of us make enough noise we will be heard!
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Post by favraz on Jun 27, 2009 11:52:25 GMT -5
well, it seems that this thread is reaching its end...It seems to me that going out and possibly/probably infecting others is okay to do, and perhaps that is the better way-the more individuals who have morgs to deal with the faster it will be a pandemic and truly out of control disease. I've searched my heart and my soul, and I cannot find it in myself to knowingly infect others with what I know that it does. So, I have decided to keep my distance from others who do not have morgs...and I will continue to use my waivers...after all, hospitals and other types of medics use this system...
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Post by greggo on Jun 28, 2009 18:19:26 GMT -5
Hi Favraz Its Greggo Please don't isolate yourself I believe that human to human infection is rare animals to Human is more likely don't shut out the world go on with life as normally as possible I have a large affectionate family hugs and kisses all the time nobody not even my long term house mate have any symptoms we share the washing machine I do all the cooking washing dishes e.t.c. nobody has any sign of it we are just unlucky in the wrong please at the wrong time.
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Post by favraz on Jul 29, 2009 15:30:42 GMT -5
Hi Greggo! Sorry about the delay-what I thought would be a couple of speed bumps in a parking lot turned into a major detour and 5 flat tires. I would like to know how your "garden" is growing. If it isn't it's probably my poor instructions, so please let me know...
Hi CR-I need your help-I stumbled upon a site that allows photos to be posted, and after 3 days of searching I haven't found it again-I look forward to the day when my 'puter is smart enough to read my mind...and keep me from losing what's left of it...
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Post by favraz on Jul 29, 2009 15:53:10 GMT -5
To anyone who can help me-I want to contact Jan Smith-to thank her for saving me from unneeded surgery on my back-the morgs had wrapped around my feet and my neuropathy began to ascend...I had read about her healthy back that needed surgery RIGHT AWAY. My MRI showed that spinal fluid was blocked in the cervicals, and went to see a neurosurgeon who refused to do surgery (thankfully) because I have lost half of my body weight. I went home and started antibiotics that same day. It has been a year since then, and the neuropathy has descended to my knees at this point, although it does move around, which I consider a Good Thing-it means that none of it is permanent-yet. So thank you to the hundredth power, Jan Smith!
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