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Post by skytroll on Nov 22, 2006 0:31:26 GMT -5
Alright, our first war is the NSF. Here we will write letters will get info. Will bombard. We will not stop until we get the full scoop. I found this: MEWG the 2nd 5 year plan and the info there: www.metabolicengineering.gov/five_year_plan2.htmHave more documents also as do other people. And I am sure you all do to. EPA spoke yesterday on C-span. Saying Global warming and we need to jump on Climate Change. etc........They can shove it.after what has been done to environment. And they did this on prediction, not actual fact........... Well well.............and they closed the EPA library, but, I have some info from there. Who is game? write on here and we will put this together and attack all at once. STAY INDEPENDENT When we have been slapped by right and left we have nowhere to turn but to unite under the INDEPENDENT FLAG[/b]. ANY IDEAS FOR NEW FLAG? Take care all, Skytroll
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Post by john on Nov 22, 2006 1:47:52 GMT -5
Hey, dude! I am IN ! I have always been INDEPENDENT ! You really can't trust anyone. Especially when it comes to money! How many so called "friends" have I lent money to, never to be heard from again !!! John
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Post by aussie on Nov 22, 2006 3:34:06 GMT -5
Skytroll....I really like the concept and the emblem from the movie "V". Any thoughts on that one? No copyright infringement intended of course.
Perhaps it could be "M".....for Morgellons, mycoplasma, murder, maniacal, monsters, misuse, misappropriation, malevolent, moronic, misinformation, etc etc.
There's no doubt when you are pushed into a corner it's time to bear arms, especially for people who don't want to bare their arms in public!
And John, unfortunately, I now have to think that if you aren't perpared to basically give the money away, don't lend it in the first place. You end up either making enemies of people you thought were friends, or losing them altogether. Human nature can be an odd thing, as you know.
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Post by thinker on Nov 22, 2006 12:15:22 GMT -5
Skytroll's Squadron - I love it!! You must be psychic because I had looked up this info and saved it, now getting around to posting. I will look up all contact info for the following people and post a little later. I'm a news junkie (as if you can't tell) and it happens to include a lot of politics. Here's what I know: Barbara Boxer will be the Committee Chair that we need to be communicating with - I think. www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=06-P13-00046#feature2Diane Feinstein has already gone to bat for Morgs victims and she and Boxer work closely together, as it appears anyway. And they're both from the #1 Morgs state. Feinstein is also very concerned about the FDA clearing silicone breast implants for sales again. www.topix.net/us-senate/dianne-feinsteinThe House Science Committee has been looking into nano, as well as Senate Committee. Sadly, the economics are being discussed more than the pitfalls and what if's. House: I know that Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) is familiar with the subject of chemtrails and a lot more. Ron Paul is an MD in Texas who is also pretty incredible when it comes to helping the "little people." I'll make a list including all contact info and more links so that we can start this show asap. It would be nice to bombard them with communication prior to the new Congress of Jan 01. They're prioritizing things right now and maybe we can get our foot in the door. I'm posting separately the rest of the info I saved from the other day. Thank you Skytroll. This doc link that you provided has opened up a whole new library of links and reading potential. This saga rivals the very best of sci fi movies, and sadly, our saga is all TRUE. Skytroll Squadron unite!!
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Post by thinker on Nov 22, 2006 12:19:21 GMT -5
P.S. Skytroll Squadron - when we begin communicating with the Folks on the Hill, perhaps we need to also include a blurb about the "I" word: IMPEACHMENT.
Let him move back to Texas and get a taste of his own medicine.
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Post by sarahconnor on Nov 24, 2006 2:40:51 GMT -5
I think you guys need to move to Australia - my doors always open for ya.
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Post by whiterose on Nov 24, 2006 15:22:46 GMT -5
I'm up for it! Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I was just sorting things out with the other information I had. skytroll, I'm with you. You point the way and who to hit first with the letter writing.
whiterose
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Post by sarahconnor on Nov 25, 2006 0:27:52 GMT -5
Can I do the easy part and hit them with the spade please?
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Post by skytroll on Nov 25, 2006 0:47:03 GMT -5
Thanks all. I think the first two names on there NSF is a start. So much is kept from the public This has been mentioned by a few people, already, and I do thank them for the suggestion, also.
Thanks Thinker, Yes, Kucinnich has tried to have a hearing on the Chemtrails, and Ron Paul. I do not know what to think of Lieberman? anyone?
I think the others on the list MEWG need to all be challenged as well. But, the NSF first.
Will compose letter in next day or two.
Sarah Connor,
Got your spade all sharpened?
Skytroll
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Post by 0happyday on Nov 25, 2006 0:54:35 GMT -5
How about "M" for Medical negligence or Medical Malpractice
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Post by sarahconnor on Nov 25, 2006 0:55:37 GMT -5
You bet, I'll play the "silent achiever role" ....just ready to swing that spade when you say "swing it girl"!
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Post by skytroll on Nov 25, 2006 1:00:38 GMT -5
Al righty then...... Thanks for the humor. and thanks for suggestions. Will take poll for our name. Mighty Mates, Should this be a flying boat? Just in case? A winged schiff?
Chemtrails so heavy here, it makes me sick.
Occasionally blue sky, seems so rare at times.
Skytroll
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Post by sarahconnor on Nov 25, 2006 1:07:16 GMT -5
A new song, replace "blue skies" with....
"chemtrails smiling at me, nothing but chemtrails do I see, ouch!! what the heck was that"?!!
I gotta laugh, or I'll go mad.
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Post by 0happyday on Nov 25, 2006 2:13:13 GMT -5
Sarah I need your sense of humor. I use to have one but I lost it. Trying to get it back though.
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Post by skytroll on Nov 25, 2006 9:29:31 GMT -5
Forgot to put the NSF website in: www.nsf.gov/help/contact.jsp from nsf straight to: www.sc.doe.gov/bes/EPSCoR/eicc1.htmList of MEWG, the Metabolic Engineering Working Group LIST OF MEWG AGENCIES
- Department of Agriculture (USDA) - Department of Commerce (DOC) - Department of Defense (DOD) - Department of Energy (DOE) - Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) - National Institutes of Health (NIGMS/NIH) - National Science Foundation (NSFsource: www.metabolicengineering.gov/five_year_plan2.htmSo, it is time to come up with specific questions and demand some answers, indicating what we suffer, and could any of the activities that are occuring in these organizations contribute to it. Otherwise, we start boycotting these agencies, industries, and universities. We did get the FDA to attempt to stop Intralytix: Here is my comment and their response to my letter to them: my letter: Comments: What virus is used to kill listeria on meat, melons and apples? How do we know what virus is to be used? Can it be put on the label, that the product was sprayed by ......... virus? The public has a right to know, otherwise meat melons and apples may be boycotted. Bacteriophage sounds good, but, the public needs to be aware of whatvirus is being utilized. Thank you, Intrayltix's response: Thank you for your email regarding the FDA's approval of one of our products containing naturally-occurring bacteriophages. We were sorry to hear that you disapproved of bacteriophage-based, food safety-enhancing products - and we would like to attempt to clarify the nature and benefits of such additives, in the hope that we can eliminate possible misunderstandings about bacteriophages and our product. Bacteriophages, or "phages" for short, are viruses that specifically target bacteria. Phages have existed on this planet for billions of years, and they played and continue to play a key role in keeping the number of bacteria in check. In other words, bacteriophages are responsible for maintaining bacterial balance in every ecosystem in which they have been described. Bacteriophages only infect their specific bacterial targets. In other words, they can not infect humans, any other species in the animal kingdom, or any plant species. Furthermore, phages are everywhere in nature (including the human gut, mouth, nose, skin, etc.), and they are also plentiful in many foods and waters. For example, a milliliter (approximately 1/28th of a fluid ounce) of unpolluted water has been found to contain approximately 200 million bacteriophages. Therefore, we think that using naturally occurring bacteriophages offers one of the most, if not the most, safe and environmentally-friendly approaches for improving the safety of our foods. We are excited about the FDA's approval of our product, and we hope that you too will appreciate the benefits of using this 100% natural approach for improving food safety. Numerous non-technical articles about practical applications of bacteriophages have been published in various journals and magazines. The NEWS section of our website contains copies of some of them, and you are welcome to review the information they contain. Also, the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS section of our website may provide answers to some of the questions you may have. The section is fairly comprehensive, and we plan to update and expand it in the near future. In the meantime, please let us know if you have any further questions that we might help to clarify regarding our FDA-approved product and/or bacteriophages in general. Sincerely, Buddy Melton Corporate Controller & Chief Administrative Officer Intralytix, Inc. 701 E. Pratt Street, Suite 4075 Baltimore, MD 21202 Skytroll
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Post by skytroll on Nov 25, 2006 10:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by whiterose on Nov 25, 2006 13:57:57 GMT -5
What are they thinking? Obviously they are not. Viruses Mutate folks. Viruses have a funny way of wanting to survive just like human beings. What in the WORLD MAKES THESE SO CALLED experts think they won't get in our body and say new Territory's. Can you see what the viruses will be thinking? A whole new world easily delivered. The new Trojan horse, the apple, and once inside we the viruses will CONQUER!
Who is smarter humans or viruses?
whiterose
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Post by thinker on Nov 25, 2006 16:04:21 GMT -5
Remember when people were getting really sick from the substance being sprayed on fruit and vegetables to make them look fresh longer - like at buffets? Were those sulfites? (sp?)
How long will we be ingesting this stuff before long-term effects surface and then it's too late.
Do you not feel tragically for all of the lab animals that are subjected to this insanity? I understand PETA people are now on big-time "bad" lists...being called the "T" word which enables the removal of pretty much all rights for them - our lovely new system.
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Post by whiterose on Nov 26, 2006 12:38:52 GMT -5
I have considered the fact that the Morgellons sufferers will be labeled the T word. So do we sit back and do nothing and just let them infect the whole world. Or do we become active in skytrolls endeavor and do our best to wake the world up before it is too late for all.
I for one, am one of those individuals that believe in controlling my own future, in as much as I can do that. There will always be those that place obstacles in our path, those are to be looked at as challenges, just another mountain to climb.
The time to formulate questions has arrived:
1. Who is over the chemtrail spraying and what is the purpose? 2. Will the food be labeled so that we may avoid that which we personally find offensive. 3. Obviously, there is a push by the consumer to have organic, why have these standards been lowered? 4. Just because something is naturally occurring, doesn't mean in larger doses it will not harm or overtake the human body. Have any long term studies been done? And where? And by whom? What was the criteria?
Please add on logical or scientific type questions to this list.
whiterose
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Post by thinker on Nov 26, 2006 13:15:53 GMT -5
Re: chemtrails, here's what I ask when I call my reps
Who, what, when, where, why, how much and how long.
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Post by skytroll on Nov 27, 2006 12:06:34 GMT -5
All of you here who want to ask question of NSF.
Please post here and I will check all boards I ask this of and construct letters, depending on which contacts as to send them to. Then we will go down the metabolic list of each agency and then we will dig further.
Please post questions here and I will collect or write letters yourself to whomever at the NSF.
There is a science advisor to the President.
If we let them know we know of what is going on, then, maybe, we can get the press, if there are any left in the daily onslaught of propaganda, willing to really tackle this issue of disease causing phenomenon that is spreading around the world, then we will have asked the right questions.
For example: Why does the NSF encourage new types of sciences that the public is not aware of. Why are there no press releases on these new endeavors?
Why so much secrecy on the "free energy", the geophysical changes taking place on earth?
Skytroll
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Post by thinker on Nov 27, 2006 15:59:56 GMT -5
Maybe another tack first? Sorry, but if the science advisor is still the same one, he is the one who says global warming is a hoax. HE NEVER SPOKE TO the world's leading experts, employed by our own govt - only to Michael Creighton, remember? This faux scientist is the one who told Kay Bailey to shut up about weather mod (I'll find the link to the PDF file) because it makes the natives restless. Secrecy and cronyism (sp?) are THE #1 directives in this crew (way to go, Brownie). It's how they've accomplished what they have! It's almost as hideous and populated as our new "air." Every person has been replaced - even Chertoff's relative is now the head of Popular Mechanics magazine - busy beating down questioners of 9-11. Judges, management and mid-management everywhere, media - OMG don't get me started - THEY are everywhere, ready to extinguish any match that has been struck to light a fire. Anyone seen the shadow IP that follows you everywhere when you're online? Nothing goes unseen, unknown. They even have remote viewers to catch any kinds of psychic comm that's going on. I don't wanna be the downer here, but if we write to a pregnant dog (our censor changes profanity to this term ;D) will we get nothing but spilled, soured milk? Is there anyone else we could approach first to reinforce our team and our efforts? Maybe we should begin a recruitment effort first? How about someone like Erin Brockovich or even someone like Cindy Sheehan or certain celebrities? Karen Silkwood? Bobby Kennedy, Jr. and his Riverkeepers group? Hey, maybe Cindy will let us move to her Crawford acreage - probably no spraying there!! Am I just way out in left field? It's OK. You won't hurt my feelings!!
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Post by thinker on Nov 27, 2006 16:01:18 GMT -5
How about "M" for Medical negligence or Medical Malpractice Or "V for Victory" instead of vendetta? LOL
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Post by whiterose on Nov 27, 2006 16:45:30 GMT -5
V for Victory, I like that!
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Post by aussie on Nov 27, 2006 18:54:36 GMT -5
Yeah.... V for VICTORY!.....sounding good, Whiterose.
Virtuous VICTORY Verified by Very Villified Victims of Voracious Vampiric Villians.
Visions of Veins Vyeing to Vent VICTORY over Vacuous Verbals by Vacant Versers of Vicious Volumes.
Vale, Vexatious Vermin! VICTORIOUS Vested Veracity!
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Post by skytroll on Nov 28, 2006 23:43:26 GMT -5
I have composed a letter. would you like it posted here? It is rather long. I answered in reply to this discovery: www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=107079&org=NSFMy letter is ready, it fits right in with Dr. Staninger and Drs Karjoo and Dr. Wymore's studies. Skytroll
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Post by 0happyday on Nov 29, 2006 0:14:10 GMT -5
Skytroll your posts have been very educating and I also would love to read it.
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Post by skytroll on Nov 29, 2006 1:36:26 GMT -5
Well, here is the letter, I might have to edit it some. Already, the Dr. Dorthingy? what is that who changes the name? Dear NSF, Nearly 20,000 people or more (if one includes Gulf War Veterens) wish to ask questions of the NSF and some of your scientific discoveries. Many of us have a morphological-type disease that affects our skin and causes lesions, of which blue, red, black, white and clear fibers protrude. Now, in the nanogel that you have created, do these fibers attach to skin and/or pores? You say these are benign, but, have any biological tests proven this? If so where would those studies and tests be? In your article : "Researchers Create New Organic Gel Nanomaterials" from press release 06-102 The NSF article states: "Materials are chemically reversible and environmentally benign" Do you have proof that these are benign? Why is the NSF ignoring the incidents of unknown particle, organic, electrical, and/or fibril morphologies that are occurring on the skin of some 20,,000 (or more) Morgellons sufferers? Is the NSF aware that a disease that crosses scientific barriers has been constructed and if so, why has no consideration for the welfare of the human population occurred? Please explain to us how these materials, if at nano level, would not harm humans or animals? Are there safeguards to these types of creations? In this article, Rensselaer's the head Polytech Researcher says ..."The importance of this finding is the ability to use the same naturally occurring enzyme both to create chemically functional organogels and to reverse the process and break down these gels into their biologically compatible building blocks." What chemicals are you using? You mention solvents in the article. What kind of solvents and compounds are created? From your article the NSF states: "In the experiments, researchers activated a sugar using a simple enzyme, which generated a compound that self-assembles into 3-D fibers measuring approximately 50 nanometers in diameter. As the fibers entangle, a large amount of solvent gets packed together, trapping some 10,000 molecules." What kind of natural compound would self-assemble into 3-D fibers and what solvent would pack them together? What are the 3-D fibers made of? We are concerned that nanomaterials already in use, are causing some very horrible skin conditions for human beings, conditions that are not reversible. Could you shed any light on nano wires, threads, nanotubes, carbon, silicon use, silica, polyethylene, polymer, and other fibers that may appear benign but could cause physical damage if entered into the human body by way of pore, inhalation or coating on drugs or cosmetics? How can you determine if these are benign? In reference to the :oDorthingy Research Team at Rensselaer, Dr. :oDorthingy you make this statement on your Research Page: " Based on our research, we have shown that protein adsorption onto carbon nanotubes, silicon nanopillars, and metal oxide nanoparticles results in a range of biomolecular orientations, structure, and function, which sets the stage for future efforts to design both the nanotube surface and protein structure for controlled biological function. The importance of nanoscale surface curvature on protein function has been demonstrated for the first time. Accompanying MD simulations and QM/MM techniques provide a critical level of understanding of the physicochemical determinants of a protein’s nanoenvironment, including protein hydration and critical location of water molecules that renders it functional, especially in non-biological environments. Finally, developments in molecular biology coupled with protein and materials science have resulted in unique 3D architectures with functional components for use in sensors, actuators, and catalysts." Your patents are: 28 Are these all benign to the human body? In Molecular Bioprocessing you mention: " We are combining the fields of biocatalysis, bioinformatics, metabolic engineering, and high-throughput combinatorial biosynthesis with microsystems engineering to form a new area of fundamental and applied research. This new area, called "molecular bioprocessing" enables us to join the technologies of combinatorial biosynthesis with high-throughput biocatalytic technologies, which allow access to nature's "warehouse" of structures and functions, and to be able to manipulate the synthesis of these molecules to yield novel compounds and materials for use in the pharmaceutical, chemical, and agrochemical industries." By the use of biocatalytic technologies, are these tested on humans? before the patents are awarded? You mention that proteins can absorb into "carbon nanotubes" "silicon nanopillars" etc..... A Dr. Hilda Staninger has performed studies on material that comes from our lesions of which fibers are embedded. In her findings she has found nonorganic material that burns at 1700 degrees, silica based, This material is a catalyst of some sort. Do the nanogels have a burning point? From Dr. Staninger's presentation to National Registry of Environmental Professionals Conference in Nashville, TN, on Oct. 18th, 2006: ....."FDA, EPA and Nanotechnology "Nanotechnlogy is the ability to control things at an atomic and molecular scale of between one and 100 nanometers and has been met with enthusiasm across a variety of industries. Critics highlight the murky area of how nanoparticles affect toxicity and say nanoparticles should be treated as new, potentially harmful materials and tested for safety accordingly.(5) " and she goes on to say about our disease and her findings: "Morgellons - A disease in which individuals have the growth of fibers from their skin that burn at 1,700 degrees F and do not melt. (20) A private study to determine the chemical and biological composition of these fibers has shown that the fibers' outer casing is made up of high density polyethylene fiber (HDPE). The fiber material is used commonly in the manufacture of fiber optics. There is no history of the individual in that industry or coming into contact with this material. It was further determined that this material is used throughout the bio nanotechnology world as a compound to encapsulate a viral protein envelope, which is composed of a viron (1/150th times smaller than a virus) with DNA, RNA, RNAi (mutated RNA) or RNAsi linear or ring plasmids for specific functions. (21, 22) Toxicological pathology identification of tissue biopsies from an individual diagnosed with Morgellons revealed the presence of continual silica or glass tubules with the presence of silicone. (23) It must be noted that the core toxicological effects of silicone alone have been demonstrated throughout the breast implant industry and litigation cases. (24, 25) Furthermore, silicone cannot make silica, but silica or silica bicarbonate can make silicone through natural cellular interaction in a biological system. The subject did not have breast implants or any other implant or silicon glue injections. " References: NSF: www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=107079&org=NSFDr. Staninger and Dr. Karjoos findings: www.dldewey.com/morgel.htmDr. Randy Wymore and Dr. Vitaly Citovsky: centernet.okstate.edu/whatsnew/rounds/2005/1005.htmlwww.cherokeechas.com/research.htmDr. Gregory Smith and others: www.cherokeechas.com/about.htmMorgellons Research Foundation: www.morgellons.org/medical.htmlThank you for reading this and if you could shed some light on this for us, we would greatly appreciate it. If this is reversible, can you find a way to help us? If you say it is chemically reversible, can you tell us how that can be accomplished? Would you be willing to contact our Researchers? Dr. Hilda Staninger and Dr. Karjoo? and Dr. Randy Wymore at OSU? The disease is called Morgellons, as stated on Dr. Staninger's report. Thank you again and we appreciate your time and effort and would love to hear from you in the near future. Well there it is. What do you all think? I do not know why the Dr. Dorthingy is changed to Dr. Dorthingy? Oh well, skytroll
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Post by sickandtired on Nov 29, 2006 14:23:20 GMT -5
This looks so good to me Skytroll..... We must rely on others and their expertise as a group to bring forward this fight for justice.... Thank You.....for all that you do Skytroll..... SickandTired now what do we do to help? in simple terms for all to understand....
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Post by skytroll on Nov 30, 2006 1:21:35 GMT -5
I have sent 38 letters out, so far, and have found some very interesting things.
Will post as I receive answers:
Some letters went to bio, physics, chemistry, live nano research, even computer, and photobiotics. There are some answers there and I have asked them to aid us, since they are aware of much research pertaining to nanos and bio crossovers.
I am tired, but, I feel there has to be others out there who can help us understand this disease.
I did put those researchers and references to their works in the letter, so, they are aware of what we suffer, what it looks like, they could even compare, maybe, but, we have to be direct and probing. Our tax dollars pay for their research, but not for ours. So, I do believe some accounting is in order.
Skytroll
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