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Post by thinker on Sept 17, 2006 13:45:59 GMT -5
As thinker, I try not to make conclusions, but to gather as much info as I can before I believe something. And I do not want to scare anyone. The following may not amount to a hill of beans. But, there have been comments about "electrical foo" and "overheating bodies" in connection with Morgs, which symptoms I've been pondering for a while. I saw this article months ago, and it hasn't left my memory, esp. since I am watching cell and microwave towers going up all around me, as the multitudes of planes are spraying above me, in this very large city. I offer this link, which will upset some and make some think. I do not express any opinion about this subject, merely offer it for other thinkers. Read the part about neighborhood ELF towers. It is interesting that Bell Labs is mentioned, since I believe I read that they are now supporting Dr. Wymore and group. educate-yourself.org/dc/dclatestonmctowerarrays25may02.shtmlTo make it worse, I have known of multiple people, in the past year or so, who are having recurring dreams about being rounded up and confined in large groups. They are sane people who often dream prophetically. Some also have the "electrical foo." educate-yourself.org/cn/uscconcentrationcamps28jun01.shtmlI also heard, on Free Speech TV, that the govt is quietly retrofitting old bases, etc. to house as many as 20,000 people in each facility, and that they have 800 such facilities. I think I heard Rummy mention it in an interview, too. Maybe they're just preparing for any 'ol emergency, like another hurricane. I think there's also info at carnicom.com about this, probably at chemtrailcentral.com, too. This is such a new world, with nanos and chips and stuff, it is almost unbelievable, but Congress is talking about it all.
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Post by whiterose on Sept 17, 2006 14:49:32 GMT -5
Interesting post thinker. I suppose this is why I am cautious about what I say. One must realize that the "electrical foo" can go several ways. You already know this don't you. I've already said to much. Thank you.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 17, 2006 18:18:38 GMT -5
Now where on earth does this have a connection with the nematode like specimen that Cliff Mickelson has been observing as a critical role in this disease.....I don't see your relationship to this at all......
These genetically modified nematodes were introduced into my husband's work force with no safety procedures in place....these genetically modified nematodes were mixed with certain bacteria to clean up the sludge in the wastewater treatment plant......every coworker and their families and pets are now infected with this disease so I would say CLIFF MICKELSON is definately on the right track already and these other suggestions at this point are really useless.....HE HAS ALREADY FOUND THE MAIN CULPRET TO THIS DISEASE THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED NEMATODES.....now what bacteria they were mixed with is next and this could vary depending on the application for which they were used....and this is why Cliff has also stated that they seem coded and become immune to certain ointments because the ones my husband was around were used for sludge clean up seems proper they might have this coding to help with whatever application they are being applied for....
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 17, 2006 20:45:50 GMT -5
I don't know anything about a nematode, but I do know about electrical interference in the body and overheating.
My body would not even register a temperate on the thermometer, but the sweat was pouring off me.
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Post by whiterose on Sept 17, 2006 21:26:45 GMT -5
I hope this will be considered copasetic. Sick and tired how long have you had Morgellons? First I agree with you and Cliff about the connection of the nematode. I lived by a sewage plant, there was a backwash if you will that pushed the toilets off in some of the homes around me. I took a shower and washed off with a nylon buff puff, after I got out of the shower and reached back in I saw the worms coming out of my buff puff. I have had this for 25 years. It has went into remission up to six years at a time. I just want to understand why they have let this continue to affect people. Economics of course but there is something else. We are not here to berate each other. We are here to listen and learn and add to what we already know. You reinforced some of what I already knew. Thank you for that sick and tired.
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Post by aussie on Sept 17, 2006 21:33:21 GMT -5
Entomopathogenic Nematodes as Control Agents for Ticks Entomopathogenic nematodes have been developed for biological control of certain insect pests, including grass turf grubs and Japanese beetles. We are testing the use of entomopathogenic nematodes as a biological control method for ticks. Engorged females of several species of ticks were found to be susceptible to invasion by nematodes. Sponsor: U.S.-Israel Binational Agriculture Research and Development Fund (BARD) PIs: Katherine M. Kocan and Edmour F. Blouin www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report95/report/vetmed/path.htmlMaybe some connection, Sickandtired?
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 17, 2006 22:11:05 GMT -5
Go Aussie Go Aussie Go!!!!
Let's show up our Governments for being arrogant "a" holes and letting us all suffer such indignities.
Time is a running out you know - I only got about 6 months, that's if the stress don't get to me first.
Thank you good people for helping.
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Post by aussie on Sept 17, 2006 23:56:14 GMT -5
Hey, Sarah...what do you mean about only having 6 months?? I agree with you about people being scared. I've noticed if you talk about it, either their eyes glaze over and they stare somewhere behind your ear(they don't believe you and they aren't interested anyway), or they gulp, say they hope it'll never happen to them, and change the subject quickly(in denial). I was doing a search on tick-borne related diseases and came across the following article under the same heading. I reckon the author should stick to his "day job"( Medical Director, Dept Emergency Medicine). Called "Stevens-Johnson Sydnrome"(SJS). Amazing. www.emedicine.com.EMERG/topic555.htm"Cocaine recently has been added to the list of drugs capable of producing the syndrome". And, "Cases tend to have a propensity for the early spring and winter". Really? Wouldn't have anything to do with being tick season, I suppose? However, considering there appears to be a connection between tick-borne disease, mycoplasma and Morgellons the following article is worth a read: Erythema multiforme www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic173.htmSarah, I was reading somewhere else where they were doing animal testing and tick-borne disease and one of the things they found was a huge iron deficiency. I am trying to find it again but it was a technical paper, scientist status. For your iron deficiency have you tried taking Vit B12 sublingually(suck under your tongue, so that it goes straight to your blood stream instead of to your stomach, and folic acid? What about colloidal iron(particles suspended in liquid)? Don't give up now, girl!
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 18, 2006 5:10:26 GMT -5
Hi Aussie, Just popped in before I hit the bed and watch some tele.
I remember the name Stevens Johnson Syndrome, I read about this long long ago, I will have a read again before bed. Is this similar to Erysipelas?
I had Erysipelas when I was 20 months of age in the UK.
I have had Vit B12 injections but I didn't know about the sublingual ones, good thinkin 99. Will look into that one, thanks. Will check out the colloidal iron also. Do you think it best to call the doc and run past her first before I take these??
I am just a bit scared to do the wrong thing you know.
Anyway, don't you worry I will not give up, I refuse, I will be blogging in my coffin if I have too!!!! I am a very stubborn girl and I think that is a good thing. I said 6 months because that is when I will be off the steroid, and also it was a voice within me that told me this some time ago, I can not explain if you understand. I just listen to the voice within and then tell the voice within to get lost!!!
Keep up the good work, well done.
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Post by aussie on Sept 18, 2006 5:37:26 GMT -5
Hi Sarah
Erysipelas is a streptococcus bacterial infection, isn't it?
About the sublingual B12.....a Swiss bio chemist let me into the secret. Yes, I would probably check with my doctor before taking anything just for your own peace of mind.
Takes me back to years ago when doctors would automatically prescribe iron tablets to pregnant women without actually checking their iron levels. Of course I took them, unaware at the time that I actually have hereditary iron overload disorder(haemochromotosis), so it's the last thing I need.
Night, night.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 18, 2006 11:09:31 GMT -5
Well for starters our nightmare began 12 years ago when they introduced these genetically modified nematodes mixed with certain bacteria for the sludge cleanup at his wastewater treatment plant at a chemical plant in Freeport, Texas.....one of the cluster areas for this disease.....now I have been told by others that this genetically modified nematode has been used for other environmental applications also such as exterminating.......This new and improved no chemicals involved was going to safe the world.....but instead they infected the humans and their pets.......for years now....in fact it took my husband daughter who we infected 5 years for her symptoms to appear so we believe symptoms can take some time depending on how many nematodes you are infected with at intial onslot.....then give this monster time to reproduce in your bodies until WHALA.....Morgellons......and now it is too late to turn back time.....we now have FOUR GENERATIONS sickened with this disease......both mothers, sisters and brothers, daughters, granddaughters, my husbands daughter just had a horrible time with her first baby....she had severe pains and poor little baby had to be taken from her safe environment at only 3 punds and took another 3 months to gain enough weight to go home......she is a sad baby and cries all the time.....this is sickening this little baby doesn't even know what healthy and normal feels like.....this is really criminal what has happened here.....as the nation sickens......here is a small example of what my husband and I have been through the last 12 years of what should have been our most productive years of our lives....
Steve and I both treated for similar severe back pain and treated by cortisone injection into our backs by a pain management specialist within one year.
Painful sores that have continued for 10 years for me and remised for Steve until recently. We feel that once he was diagnosed with RA the Prednisone (5 years now on Prednisone) and Methyltrexate is helping keep his sores at bay but has recently seen more activity again lately.
Steve had terrible night sweats before the RA diagnosis and now I am have terrible night sweats and the last 6 months swollen joints (cannot wear my wedding rings) and joint pain.
Both Steve and I have deteriorating teeth much faster rate than usual
Both have the sand/grit like feeling in our eyes and eyesight problems
Both tire easily and have the drastic body temperature fluctuations.
Delayed speech pattern I more than Steve but I see it in both of us.
Both have weight loss issues the past several years but the first years I was bloated all the time Steve - 40 pounds in 3 years Laurie - 15 pounds in last year even though we eat healthy meals everyday
Steve has had terrible unusual body rashes and I have had the unusual unexplained pains in my body….and a negative test result to normal testing
Steve at 39 years old stricken with a form of RA the specialists cannot figure out and no history of RA in his family. His non-response to traditional treatments even qualifying for PROSORBA treatments a blood dialysis (once a week for 12 weeks) and Steve that treatment twice and was considered disabled.
Steve has thinning skin and I have thinning skin both having dryness issues all the time….can never relieve the dryness in our hands and skin.
Steve gets swallowing troubles with almost every meal he eats.
Steve has had vascular troubles ever since this started. Within four days on vacation he came home with his leg so swollen baffled the vascular specialists with no conclusion why this happened after several test completed.
Steve had a vessel in his ankle explode and bleed out thank god a fellow employee arrived as they were doing a middle of the night emergency call for a client and found Steve at the shop in such condition and got him to the emergency room. No explanation of why this happened for the medical staff.
I cannot and will not wear anything but long sleeved shirts out in public I cannot wear summer clothes…I would rather die of heat than take a long sleeve shirt off…this is misery in itself. In fact we have no social life for fear of infecting just one more person......we have infected at least 10 previous coworkers and lets see if those 10 infect 10 more and so on.....we can get rather high numbers quickly.....how many of us Morgellons sufferers have been misdiagnosed........I hate to think.....can you imagine what one call girl infected with Morgellons could do........condoms won't stop this one......like I said Steve's daughter it took 5 years before symptoms started....but she was still infected and infectious to others for those 5 years without the symptoms......SCARY and yes I notice the same thing when talking to the UNinfected....they cannot grasp the whole picture like talking science fiction to them......and then there are the ones that think Well, if this was that infectious and such causing such chronic illnesses and death the government would be taking care of this horrific situation.......yes they should be on this like flies on stink....BUT THEY AREN"T.........sometimes I feel like we are just part of a human cull or something......speaking of we had a African Grey parrot we took home with us from my husbands father because he didn't have time for her.....within 6 months she plucked every feather she could reach out and then died.....we have had 2 dogs deceased from this and 2 dogs living with this disease.......I am so angry at times I can't think straight...this disease wears out my whole body....
THANK THE GOOD LORD for OSU and Randy and Cliff and what would we do without them!!! they are the only ones truely out there for answers!!! GO ORANGE.....Morgellons awareness ribbons need to be ORANGE....
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 18, 2006 16:08:34 GMT -5
I have had a couple of emails from a man in Texas. He told me that OSU are currently not doing clinical trials.
Does anyone know if and when there will be any clinical trials taking place, I do not know who to contact regarding this.
Thanks.
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Post by aussie on Sept 18, 2006 17:40:48 GMT -5
Sarah....sorry, just remembered, if you are going to use Vit B12 sublingually, you have to ask for B12 Lozenges.
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 18, 2006 18:14:26 GMT -5
My Vit B12 levels and folic acid levels are perfect thanks.
If I start taking things my body doesn't require I am sure to kick the bucket.
So do you know what is happening with OSU?
Hell of a lot of cover up happening don't you think?
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 18, 2006 18:14:56 GMT -5
I bit late for 'sorry' from anyone I think.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 19, 2006 12:31:25 GMT -5
I believe Oklahoma State University is the one behind the research so far on this disease.....Dr. Wymore and The New Morgellons Order are working with Oklahoma State University....I am suprised you didn't know that!!! and that Cliff Mickelson has found the genetically modified nematodes
WHY??? don't you look at the first thread ON PAGE ONE started on July 2006 by Cliff Mickelson......he has FOUND THE NEMATODE.....AND DESCRIBES THIS CREATURE AND HOW IT FEEDS ON US VERY WELL FOR YOU....
Here is a small portion of this thread posted by Cliff Mickelson that YOU haven't read yet.....I suggest you read it.....and become familar with the updates on this disease and who is doing the research before blabling your mouth off....
It should be clearly stated that among the few certainties extant about Morgellons that are absolutely provable is that there exists a nematode-like life form who's role is central to the affliction.
This fact can be irrefutably summoned into any court of evidence. The worm is a changeling. It is but one of several incarnations documented as complicit actors in a tragi-drama intent on opening to ever-wider numbers of audiences around the world.
As each successful actor has his own unique foil, so too does this peculiar creature have a proprietary shield.
This shield is what we know as the "callus."
Masked behind the security of an artificially manufactured "callus" the Morgellon's nematomorphic worm is master of the host's corporal stage. Hence it remains free to summon forth all the allied sounds of its diseased fury. And ... at curtain fall, it will leave in its wake only the grist of ruined lives and shattered dreams as evidentiary grounds for judgment by its unhappy audience of unwilling reviewers.
It is the organism's creation and composition of the callus and the nematomorph method of utilizing and dermo-forming the callus that begs understanding. To do so is to take the first step on the path that hold a promise of gaining the offensive and of an eventual cure.
My recent research indicates that the callus is more a product of the creature than a reaction of the host. This is more important of a distinction that it may at first appear. The callus, although it mimics skin to a phenomenal degree is, (IMO) NOT skin, or is at best a mixture of plasma and other body fluids chemically transformed by a specialized secretion of the nematomorph.
We know that the finished product is anchored with a tenacity that defies normal convention.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 19, 2006 12:43:57 GMT -5
AND one more thing.........we don't live in Texas anymore BUT where we did live is one of the cluster areas for this disease.....imagine that.......I believe without a doubt in my mind we know exactly where we were infected......as we have other coworkers infected from this job site and other coworkers from other jobs that are infected with this too.......and OSU stands for Oklahoma State University....get with the program or don't post your useless comments.....or is that your intention....to fill the board with useless comments....
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Post by sarahconnor on Sept 20, 2006 19:04:15 GMT -5
Filling the board with useless comments???
Why don't you put that questions to the other people on this board, not to a person who is in severe pain from this affliction.
Maybe ask Cliff since you think he has ALL the answers!!! NOT.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 21, 2006 12:12:51 GMT -5
YOU sure don't suffer from Morgellons......every post you make is senseless comments out of space weird idiotic BS......SarahConnor you are just about as bad as DAN THE MAN ......you insult all of us suffering from this disease.....move on to the support group of coverup that is where you should be....not trying to discredit Cliff's work.......this man couldn't be much closer to what is causing this disease....now a cure is another thing altogether......as the nation sickens you SarahConnor might just one day really have Morgellons to worry about.....
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Post by thinker on Sept 21, 2006 15:31:55 GMT -5
To sickandtired -
What an unbelievably horrible nightmare you've all been through. I cannot even imagine the heartache and grief you've had. Beginning today, you will always be in my prayers, as will everyone else here. Maybe we can start a prayer group? If no one else can help us, let's help each other!!
I owe my current health to God, of course, and to listening and learning from others. Seldom do I ever believe anything at first bite - I chew slowly, with no mandate of swallowing.
That said, Cliff Mickelson changed my life. He's my hero. I found his cotton writings to be absolutely true, discovering his info when I was the sickest. I used what I learned to get healthier and smarter, and I'm still working on it.
I don't know if there is any connection to the above links or not - I stumbled upon them while searching for Morgs info, just like I first found Cliff's cotton info.
What I do know is that we have plenty of reasonable questions with no answers and we get ridiculed instead. Why on earth isn't this issue being addressed? Where is everyone? Why is one relatively small university (very thankfully) jumping on the bandwagon and isn't there just some morsel they can throw our way during the agony of waiting? When we do get info, will it be spin or will we know it to be true?
And deep in our hearts I think we know med doctors can't help - it's the frankenscientists that we're having to rely on - the same types who probably made this thing in the first place (not implying Dr. Wymore, etc.). Is that a first-rate-sounding conspiracy theory or what?
Conspiracy theories begin when there are reasonable questions that no one is answering. And apparently the CDC has branded a Morgs questioner as an "activist." That's a bad sign for the hope of moving closer to answers and relief.
I would say the lack of attention to Morgs seems odd, at best, except look at the folks who are sick from 9-11 fallout. Those sick "activists" have been kicking and screaming for help, and finally, maybe they will, being promised a Washington hearing. But does that mean doctors will finally have to explain why the "activists" have pulverized concrete in their lungs?
There can be all kinds of pesky details that need to be worked out when revealing pieces of truth. Could that be slowing/stopping the Morgs info we await? And if that's the case, we all know why. The answer(s) are as old as mankind itself, unfortunately. I'm sorry if that potential is bothersome, but it might be reality, at least as it currently stands.
I guess this is why I look at all info, even if it sounds crazy at the time. Heck, Morgs sounds crazy, even to a Morgie. LOL And I retrieved Cliff's crazy-sounding article when I found my first fabric fiber farm. At second glance, his article was anything but crazy!!
You never know when something you read will come in handy, and sometimes it's the craziest of things that end up making the most sense.
You take care, sickandtired. My wishes and prayers are with you and yours, for sure.
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Post by thinker on Sept 21, 2006 15:32:49 GMT -5
To whiterose -
Thank you for your wisdom. It is a shame that free speech is becoming an oxymoron, and you're absolutely correct. Sure wish I could talk to you more - LOL - or uh, maybe not laughing.
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Post by aussie on Sept 22, 2006 2:55:50 GMT -5
Sickandtired, I think everyone is feeling very sorry about your situation. I wish there were something we could do for you and your family.
In 1999, in Japan, they found a new filamentous Bacillus strain in a sludge/waste water treatment plant. They named it Bacillus funiculus sp. nov. It forms extremely long filaments apparently. It's probably everywhere by now. But that doesn't help you, does it?
When you were describing the gremlins that were living in the water, you mentioned a football shaped one. I am wondering whether that was a liver fluke? They live in wet areas and can get into crops such as lettuce. A very good reason for washing lettuce. Cattle carry them all the time.
They are the shape you describe, greyish and flatish, something like a slug under magnification. Yukky.
They can live in your liver and make you sick. There is a theory that if you have liver flukes and isopropyl alcohol in your liver, you can get extremely sick. (You probably already know this, but you get isopropyl alcohol in your system quite easily...it is one of the preservatives they use in many products, cosmetics, shampoos etc. Look at the labels).
I know you have a lot of things going on in your body simultaneously, but maybe if you could get rid of at least some of the parasites, naturally, it would help a bit. I'm not suggesting tea tree oil either, no, there is an excellent product put out by Metagenics, called "Parex" for doing a natural parasite cleanse. I have used it myself. It is a "practioner only" product, from a naturopath. Normally you take it for a month....two weeks to kill the adults and two weeks to kill the eggs.
Consists of Black walnut, wormwood, barberry, ginger, gentian, thyme oil, cinnamon bark oil, and oregano oil. American Indians used the green hulls of the black walnut for years to keep themselves parasite free.
We are all thinking of you.
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Post by sickandtired on Sept 22, 2006 11:36:10 GMT -5
We need more Cliff Mickelson's
so he can continue this amazing research this man has done.....he deserves a pulitzer or what do they give someone like Cliff.....anyway he needs one.....
and then the other Cliff's can go to more Medical Universities, Medical Centers and do seminars for our new and upcoming scientists and doctors so they understand this affliction better.....something like that might help get us a cure also....
Thanks for the support....my husband and I need each other more than ever....we are sick our dogs are sick, Four Generations of our family are sick......past coworkers......this disease is frightening to think how many really could be infected......we have the honor I guess you could say of having 12 years of history to go back on to prove our infectious theories.....
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Post by thinker on Oct 26, 2006 8:56:25 GMT -5
I just had to share this. ROTF
This morning, a friend called on her way to work. She parked and then I hear her alarm going off. She's mumbling and I hear rustling and finally she tells me she can't understand what's going on. Her car alarm was going off, full-blast, and she doesn't even have a battery in her alarm remote. There is no way she could have turned it on.
She had a crowd of coworkers gathering, and I guess she's goin to get a ride to get a battery so she can disable the alarm and drive her car home tonight, quietly. ROTF!!!
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Post by thinker on Nov 6, 2006 23:25:38 GMT -5
To revisit the Foo subject for a second, maybe some would enjoy pondering the following: Compiled by Dean Radin, PhD of UNLV's Cognitive Research Division homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/FAQpara.htmExcerpt: Psi may be involved in Murphy's Law: "If anything can go wrong, it will." That is, modern machines based upon sensitive electronic circuits, such as copiers and computers, may at times directly interact with human intention, and as a result, inexplicably fail at inopportune times. Of course, the converse may also be true. That is, the possibility exists to repair, or to control sensitive machines solely by mental means. Such technologies would significantly benefit handicapped persons. ****** Anyone up for photocopier repair? LOL
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Post by thinker on Jan 5, 2007 14:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by aligator on Jan 12, 2007 21:16:27 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me but I had electrical foo today. Either I have a ghost living in my house or something crazy is going on. The TV started changing channels all by itself going through the menu button switching to dvd to tv then back and forth again going up and down the channels and back. Funny thing is the remote was on top of the tv..Also this is the 4th time in a year that the heater went out in our dryer. Nobody can be this unlucky. Anyone else experiencing this. to whiterose, maybe I should've waited until next week to win the lottery
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Post by thinker on Jan 12, 2007 22:09:01 GMT -5
If you're familiar with Pink Floyd, then all I'll say is: Welcome to the Machine.
You t'aint alone, for sure, Ali!!
Three coffeepots, two 'puters, and a partridge in a pear tree. Literally, my partridge (ring-neck dove) is Tommy, and he's sick, too.
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Post by aligator on Jan 12, 2007 22:25:28 GMT -5
Just waiting for the sky to fall-oh wait- it already has. My coffee pots too! one blew up on me and almost caught the kitchen on fire the other two just quit working. That is not the first time the tv has done that. I read the the post about the microwave. My husband and I went round and round about that one. We comprimised. He got to keep it, but out in the garage which is seperate from the house. LOL.......I laughed so hard the other night when he walked through the snow to make himself some burritos.......whatever......men.....
poo on foo, new product in the works by Ali Labs inc. "Foo Gone"
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Post by thinker on Jan 13, 2007 15:28:26 GMT -5
So far, today's count: add 1 dishwasher. Ugh.
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